The Fantastic Four vs. These four

The Fantastic Four:
1. Mr. Fantastic
2. Sue
3. Thing
4. Torch

These Four:
1. Iron Man
2. Jean Grey
3. The Hulk
4. Iceman

NO Prep! Takes place on top of the Sears Tower

the these four would win.

Fantastic Four Win:
Reed can take down Iron Man after a hard fought fight.
Ben can hold off the Hulk until Sue arrives to help him.
Sue can take out Jean easily, then go help Ben.
Iceman and Human Torch stalemate for a long time until Reed helps Johnny who then wins.

nah the these four all the way.

Ice Man > Sue
Hulk > thing
Ironman > Reed

The others win.

"These Four" win.

Current Iceman ruins Torch. Hulk > Thing. Reed's smart, but not enough so that he'll be able to take out an almost equally brainy Tony Stark, and Jean > or = Sue.
Not a bad fight though...nice use of logical foils for the FF.

-DM

I'm sure Thing could JUDO HIIIYAH! Hulk off the building. I mean... it wouldn't stop him or anything but he'd be out of the way.

every time i see a "Fantastic Four V's" thread they always get put against a powerful telepath...... which means none of them can defend themselves..... how about putting them against a physical team where they'd have a realistic shot at winning?

It always ends up as a "working something out from inside Sue's bubble."

It may or may not work but it bores me just imagining a fight like that.

How can you even compare Jean to Sue? Sue can become invisible. Woopy. She can generate shields and project them to hit people. Woo-hoo. Jean can rip her in half.

The other four without a doubt

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The other four without a doubt

agreed...

These Four.