Superman Vs. Cloak & Dagger
Yes, I'm very serious.
And no, it's not as simple as it seems...
[Note: This is current normal Superman.
Not Pre-Crisis, Prime, Electro/Energy, KC, 'Red Son Soviet' or any other variation thereof like Superman 1M, Secondus, etc.
Just plain normal Superman aka Clark Kent.]
Discuss.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Superman wins. Taking as Silvermane and Runaways have defeated/almost defeated them...
Doesn't mean anything to this fight.
The "A beats C, and C beats B, so A must also beat B" train of thought is flawed.
What can Supes do to Cloak? Dagger may well be a casualty, that might be a given, but she'd might as well be a martyr considering Cloak would snap watching the only person that he loves and that loves him back murdered before his eyes.
He'd eat Kal El's soul with some Fava beans and a nice Chianti.
Originally posted by illadelph12
What can Supes do to Cloak? Dagger may well be a casualty, that might be a given, but she'd might as well be a martyr considering Cloak would snap watching the only person that he loves and that loves him back murdered before his eyes.He'd eat Kal El's soul with some Fava beans and a nice Chianti.
What if Superman just smashes them both in the face in two seconds before either of them can react?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
What if Superman just smashes them both in the face in two seconds before either of them can react?
Cloak's intangible, and a living aperture into a dimension of darkness that saps the lifeforces of all that enter it save Dagger and beings protected by Dagger's 'light'. Charging into him is not a smart move on Supes' part.
Dagger would not be so lucky because her body is very tangible and does not have an inhanced degree of resistance to physical damage. She can surround her body in an aura of her 'light', but it's not a forcefield. If Supes came in contact with it, it would eb his lifeforce and parylize him, though Dagger would likely be already dead from the impact. Then Cloak, seeing Dagger die, would eat Supes' soul slowly and make him suffer in darkness, with no sunlight to feed his powers and the sorrow of murdering Dagger eating away at his sanity.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Cloak's intangible, and a living aperture into a dimension of darkness that saps the lifeforces of all that enter it save Dagger and beings protected by Dagger's 'light'. Charging into him is not a smart move on Supes' part.
Bruiser, one of the Runaways, ripped away his cape, rendering him useless. Bruiser is 11 year old girl. I think that Superman could do the same.
Bruiser, one of the Runaways, ripped away his cape, rendering him useless. Bruiser is 11 year old girl. I think that Superman could do the same.
Cloak has been knocked down before.
That's what we refer to as PSI: Plot Induced Stupidity.
Cloak's cape is not the source of his powers, it merely helps him control them so that he doesn't envelop every living person in a close proximity into the Darkness Dimension and consume their souls. It's like Cyclops's visor. Ripping his cape off should not have cancelled his powers, it should have unleahed his powers uncontrollably, but for the sake of the story line that lil bit of logical course of action was left out.
Hence, PSI: Plot Induced Stupidity.
Cloak IS intangible, but at times he can become tangible if he wishes or the situation warrants it. He's normally comparable to a living shadow. On countless occasions he's passed through solid objects and had projectiles/objects that were fired or thrown at him pass through him with no effect and scare the shit out of the criminal he was after who mistook him for a ghost. Another display of PSI. Same reason Shadowcat and Martian Manhunter have been physically assaulted on occasion though they could 'phase' through every blow.
To quote Tron:
No Mentioning Events of PISPlot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
Now that we have that out of the way:
What will Superman do against Cloak?
people are also forgetting that cloak and dagger fight side by side. if supes tryes to do anything to dagger he won't be able to. she can enter cloaks dimension without being affected because she produces those light daggers. cloak can keep supes busy long enough for dagger to stick her head and hand out and suck all his life light out. cloak does in fact use bodily light. idk what its called but her light is found in humans or something like that and she is able to absorb it and if she absorbs all of it the victim dies. these two are quite powerful together
Oh, and just as an added tidbit (I thought this through):
Supes biomatrix forcefield will not protect him from either Cloak's or Dagger's powers.
Cloak's powers are extradimensional and not a 'physical' attack, he consumes lifeforce or 'light' through exposing victims to his Darkness Dimension.
Dagger's powers are psionic/spiritual in nature, so essentially energy based.
Also something of note that people overlook about Supes biomatrix 'forcefield'; it is air-tight, but it is not inpenetrable to energy attacks. The fact that he absorbs solar rays (energy) in itself shows that the field is susceptible to energy based attacks, logically, also his susceptibility to psionics and telekinesis.
It also allows him to breath, so obviously things can pass through it and effect his innards since he can breath and metabolize air. (Like, for instance, The Atom could shrink to the size of an oxygen atom to pass through Supes matrix and harm him from inside).
Just food for thought...
PIS.
The story would be really boring if Cloak simply allowed everything to pass through him. There'd be no threat to carry the plot. What would be the point?
Same reason why Flash and/or Superman can be harmed physically by slower opponents and don't stop slower criminals instantly, or why Shadowcat and Martian Manhunter can be physically attacked though they can phase through solid objects. It's not a matter of the characters not having the abilities, it's a matter of the writer not using the abilities fully for the sake of the story. If characters used full power 24/7, the comics would only last 2-3 pages for a lot of the more powerful characters.
http://www.marveldirectory.com/xoops/modules/wordbook/search.php
Usually Cloak is intangible. He can pass through objects and objects (such as bullets) pass harmlessly through him He appears as a shadow in human form; his facial features remain visible, perhaps through an act of will on his part. Cloak can regain tangible human form through a tremendous act of will. He also regains tangible form when he has absorbed an unusually great amount of "light," or when he has somehow managed to master his "hunger" for a time by other means, or occasionally at other times due to as yet unknown circumstances. When Cloak becomes tangible, he is vulnerable to injury like any other human being.