That was the old feminists. I read up on the new mainstream feminists for psychology class.
And "MEN ARE THE DEVIL" is more eye-catching then "The gender role of masculinity causes boys to think violence is ok for them" Those were just the extremists. And people only pay attention to the extremists. Like with Muslims.
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
yeah and being intellectual also involves knowing FACTS, not just listening to what some gender-based political group has to say.so cut the "open minded" "intellectual" crap... and dont all of a sudden retract previous statements because youve been proven wrong
Wow. You're in b***y mood tonight. If you read ANYTHING I wrote. I was not supporting their arguements, rather I was correcting people on what their arguements really were. Including yours.
And for goodness sake, I'm a guy. Why would I be a feminist? 😕
Take a chill pill. 🙄
lol im not in a bitchy mood... im actually always this argumentative...
people tell me i should be a lawyer.
But do NOT think for two seconds that you are correcting MY argument. I know what it is, and I dont need corrections. Just because you read a couple of feminist articles, does not make you an expert on everyones opinions.
lol and youd be suprised how many GUY feminists there are...theyve converted a lot of people suprisingly.
Seems like you are. You must REALLY hate feminists.
No offense, but I really don't see you doing law. There's a difference between argumentative and outright ignorance. Part of being a lawyer is defining a point of the opposing side's arguement and counteracting it. Which you failed to do since I wasn't arguing ANYTHING.
Guy feminists are becoming a common occurance. But not to the extremes you may believe it to be.
And honey without feminists you wouldn't be able to become a lawyer at all.
Originally posted by Draco69
Seems like you are. You must REALLY hate feminists.No offense, but I really don't see you doing law. There's a difference between argumentative and outright ignorance. Part of being a lawyer is defining a point of the opposing side's arguement and counteracting it. Which you failed to do since I wasn't arguing ANYTHING.
Guy feminists are becoming a common occurance. But not to the extremes you may believe it to be.
And honey without feminists you wouldn't be able to become a lawyer at all.
I dont like feminists. Good job.
Do not under any circumstances accuse me of being ignorant. People like to throw that word around entirely too much, especially when theyre attempting to "counteract" someones opinion, and list of facts proving that someone else's article is WRONG.
And if men hadn't been so forceful in their theories that they were better than us, then feminists wouldnt even exist. Feminists aren't even necessary, and in my opinion never were. And feminists arent the only group of people responsible for more jobs for women. People who believe in equal rights all across the board are responsible. All they did were half assed public suicides and bra burning protests
But this is about the material itself in the article that you originally posted about..... the material that was proven WRONG by modern medicine.... so feminists have absolutely no say in what they believe causes aggressiveness. period. maybe if they had pushed for something like that 20 years ago, it might have made sense. but only because no one knew any better
Compliment taken.
Which you didn't do because I wasn't arguing anything. I was merely proving information. Which you failed to notice. Or was ignorant to notice. Either way really.
So because men believed they were superior to women, feminists would never existed, however they were still not needed to promote women's rights? Honey I don't know what history book you've been reading but without feminists groups (particularly in the 1920's) you would still be a second-class citizen. You wouldn't be able to vote. Or get a decent paying job. Or even be on this message board even. Hell if feminists never existed, you would be stuck doing the dishes and folding clothing instead of voicing your opinions on a message board.
Originally posted by Draco69
Compliment taken.Which you didn't do because I wasn't arguing anything. I was merely proving information. Which you failed to notice. Or was ignorant to notice. Either way really.
So because men believed they were superior to women, feminists would never existed, however they were still not needed to promote women's rights? Honey I don't know what history book you've been reading but without feminists groups (particularly in the 1920's) you would still be a second-class citizen. You wouldn't be able to vote. Or get a decent paying job. Or even be on this message board even. Hell if feminists never existed, you would be stuck doing the dishes and folding clothing instead of voicing your opinions on a message board.
Are you seriously retarded or something? I am proving the feminist theory on aggressive behavior wrong. I honestly dont care what you defend or dont defend. And i dont know what history book YOURE reading... but it sounds like the pop up ones..... feminist groups were NOT the only ones that advocated womens rights. So dont get all preachy with me, because I personally do not believe that feminists are important in any way.
and seriously...stop throwing the word ignorant around. you sound like an idiot
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
I dont like feminists. Good job.
But this is about the material itself in the article that you originally posted about..... the material that was proven WRONG by modern medicine.... so feminists have absolutely no say in what they believe causes aggressiveness. period. maybe if they had pushed for something like that 20 years ago, it might have made sense. but only because no one knew any better
What article. I didn't post any article. Oooookay.
And honey you're still referring to "medieval time" feminist talk. Which is not what I wanted people to discuss. I wanted to talk about the psychology and sociology that feminists imply to masculinity. Which you are obviously ignorant about.
I even posted:
"
No, not really what they are arguing is that boys are programmed to do violence. Encouraged more likely. They are socially constructed by the following tenets:
The antifeminine element
Success element
Aggressive element
Sexual element
Self-Reliant element
"
Read up on modern day feminist psychology and sociology. THEN come back.
For everyone else here, keep discussing away about MODERN day feminist psychology and sociology.
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
Are you seriously retarded or something? I am proving the feminist theory on aggressive behavior wrong. I honestly dont care what you defend or dont defend. And i dont know what history book YOURE reading... but it sounds like the pop up ones..... feminist groups were NOT the only ones that advocated womens rights. So dont get all preachy with me, because I personally do not believe that feminists are important in any way.
No. But you're obviously borderline delusional. Ever heard Margaret Mead or even Natalie Chodorow? Probably not. You're completely and utterly ignorant of what feminists are really advocating. You have no idea what you are talking about. It is as if you are referring to the evolutionary theory based on the evidence made 100 years ago. Really quite pathetic.
And read up on history. Not the cliffnotes. But the real history books. Without feminists, you would still be a second-class citizen. Doomed to washing dishes and folding clothes.
And what "other" groups are you referring to?
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dyeand seriously...stop throwing the word ignorant around. you sound like an idiot
No. YOU sound quite idiotic. You don't what you are talking about. It's like arguing quantum physics with a 19th century scientists. You misinformed and, yes darling ignorant, of the material that is being discussed on this board.
Originally posted by Draco69
What article. I didn't post any article. Oooookay.And honey you're still referring to "medieval time" feminist talk. Which is not what I wanted people to discuss. I wanted to talk about the psychology and sociology that feminists imply to masculinity. Which you are obviously ignorant about.
I even posted:
"
No, not really what they are arguing is that boys are programmed to do violence. Encouraged more likely. They are socially constructed by the following tenets:The antifeminine element
Success element
Aggressive element
Sexual element
Self-Reliant element
"Read up on modern day feminist psychology and sociology. THEN come back.
For everyone else here, keep discussing away about MODERN day feminist psychology and sociology.
You said you read an article that feminists attribute aggressive behavior to masculinity. THAT is what I am talking about. If you read my FIRST post, the psychology and medical perspective IS what I discussed. You were the one who brought up old feminist behavior with the voting and jobs issue. I know exactly what they imply is the cause of aggressive behavior.
Are you seriously like 12? Cause you seem to be going back to that name calling thing again. but if you want to go that route....
YOU are IGNORANT to the fact that feminists are wrong.
YOU are IGNORANT to the fact that science has proven them wrong.
YOU are IGNORANT to the fact that some people dont find feminists to be of any use or importance
why dont YOU read up on correct, non-feminist modern medicine and psychology and THEN come back
you are seriously the single most irritating and idiotic person I have ever had contact with
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
You said you read an article that feminists attribute aggressive behavior to masculinity. THAT is what I am talking about. If you read my FIRST post, the psychology and medical perspective IS what I discussed. You were the one who brought up old feminist behavior with the voting and jobs issue. I know exactly what they imply is the cause of aggressive behavior.Are you seriously like 12? Cause you seem to be going back to that name calling thing again. but if you want to go that route....
YOU are IGNORANT to the fact that feminists are wrong.
YOU are IGNORANT to the fact that science has proven them wrong.
YOU are IGNORANT to the fact that some people dont find feminists to be of any use or importancewhy dont YOU read up on correct, non-feminist modern medicine and psychology and THEN come back
*sigh* Maybe women really are intellectually inferior.
Darling. For the original purpose of this forum was to discuss the feminists' belief that societal effects of pre-disposed masculinity and how it promotes violence. Not biology. YOU brought that in. Which has nothing to do with this topic.
Nah. I'm old to vote though. I never called you a name. YOU called me a retard. But since you're on your period or something I'm willing to let that slide.
YOU are ignorant of what this thread is about (P.S. Hooked on Phonics would do wonders for you)
YOU are ignorant that your hatred/intense dislike for feminists has wholly blinded you to pick a fight with me. Which is really pathetic.
YOU are ignorant of that fact that just because you believe feminists are wrong doesn't make it fact. Which is even more pathetic.
YOU are ignorant of that fact that the women's movement is to thank for your rights:
Dramatically increasing the numbers of women in higher education including significantly improving the representation of women in medical, law, business, veterinary, engineering, dentistry, and architectural as well as Ph.D. programs.
· Integrating male clubs.
· Increasing the numbers of women and girls in sports.
· Developing strong public support for women's rights.
· Establishing affirmative action programs that expand job opportunities for women.
· Winning higher pay for women.
· Ending sex-segregated want ads.
· Legalizing abortion.
· Passing women's rights legislation such as Title IX of the Educational Amendments which prohibits sex discrimination in federally-funded educational institutions, the Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1988 which restored the effectiveness of Title IX after the Supreme Court gutted the law, the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1991 which banned sex and race discrimination in employment, Equal Pay Act of 1963 which requires employers to pay women and men at the same rate for the same jobs, Equal Credit Act (1975) which banned discrimination in credit, and state equal rights amendments guaranteeing women constitutional equality, and the Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978 which prohibits job discrimination on the basis of pregnancy.
Come back with a better understanding of modern feminist sociology/psychology little girl.
Shh! The big boys are talking right now.
Originally posted by KidRock
Cant fighting over Masculintity be the same as fighting over a women? So you could argue Women are the root of all violence.. or at least most of it. Since many fights I have seen have been over a girl. Both guys want to seem like the most masculine one in front of the girl or whatever.. Ill try to explain it better later.
bullshit.
you can get into a fight if you the preson are questioned. But, if your partner is threatened, then kick ass. No one ever learned a lesson from the guy they were picking on walking away. If you have been challenged, then kick their asses. No one learned fom the silent closed fist. I am the father of the caressing slap. You can teach someone who walks away more by chasing them than you can by letting them walk away.
Yes biology has a lot to do with this topic. It proves that feminist psychology is wrong.
And you know what, dont bring in the "medieval" period of feminism if you dont want me to.
Oh yeah and didnt you say you didnt advocate anything either way...or something of that nature... it seems to me that you very much do.... either that or your a flaming homosexual. but you do seem to use the word 'honey' a lot.
Either way I am seriously done dealing with you and your *ignorance* because you obviously dont understand where i am coming from on this topic.... and i really dont feel the need to argue with you about my beliefs.
Dont call me little girl when I am older than you. that makes you sound like an idiot....but then again thats not a new thing for you
And as far as letting the big boys talk... owning a pair of testicles doesnt automatically qualify you to be one of the "big boys". So you might want to take a break as well...
Originally posted by Curl_Up&Dye
Yes biology has a lot to do with this topic. It proves that feminist psychology is wrong.And you know what, dont bring in the "medieval" period of feminism if you dont want me to.
Oh yeah and didnt you say you didnt advocate anything either way...or something of that nature... it seems to me that you very much do.... either that or your a flaming homosexual. but you do seem to use the word 'honey' a lot.
Either way I am seriously done dealing with you and your *ignorance* because you obviously dont understand where i am coming from on this topic.... and i really dont feel the need to argue with you about my beliefs.
And as far as letting the big boys talk... owning a pair of testicles doesnt automatically qualify you to be one of the "big boys". So you might want to take a break as well...
No, actually it doesn't. Masculinity refers to a GENDER ROLE. Which is not biological. This is purely a sociological/psychological discussion. Which you are ignorant of. Again. A toast to consistency.
Honey, the only thing I am "advocating" is free discussion on the basis of facts. Those facts include what the arguements of feminists are. Which you simply disregard. You are referring to the bygone days of feminism. Which the topic is not referring to. You're ignorant of the subject matter. Again. Another toast to consistency.
Calling me a "flaming" homosexual just further degrades (if this is even possible) your character and intellect in my eyes and everyone else's. Which by the way is another insult. Honey. One more toast to consistency.
Where you are coming from. I completely understand. You don't know anything about modern day feminism. You don't know what you are talking about. And you certainly have no idea what this thread is about. That's the "Homer Simpson" of ignorance. What are you arguing about? Nothing. Why? I'm not advocating feminism. I'm establishing what the feminists are arguing. Which you can't seem to grasp. Your beliefs are respected...but are based on the wrong information.
Break my testicles? Nah I need these golfballs for lovemaking.
By the way, what tampon are you using. Seriously, some times periods can inspire menstrual mood disorders. Which is obviously the case here.
If you want to really inform yourself on what feminism (modern) is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism
Either way, you've been arguing with me for absolutely no reason. Look back. It's really quite pathetic. Law is definitely not your avenue. No chance in hell. I shudder to think of you in a courtroom. A better career would be George Bush the Third's wife.
that statement, no matter howbiased it is has solid ground, however it is true that the top women activist {specially ones that are in developed countries} have large personal agendas, having said that i would say that because of the large amount of suffering in human history most women are insecure and{excluding psuedo women activists} are willing to believe and take up that statement, on the other hand, given the changing world in which many developed societies take away old unfair rights from the men and give them to the women, men are also to a certain extent insecure and do not want to accept their general mentality because of their sex which does lead to many violent acts, and are also to an extent beeing targetted by this kindof views, but sayin that masculinity is the root of ALL violent acts in this point in time and specially in the developed sicieties is UTTER BULLSHIT.