"actually i think that apocalypse would win... if you are using his 90s cartoon version. this wasnt your average ordinary apocalypse. he was literally wiping out entire parts of reality, and refitting it to his image. it took the combined might of all the phsychics that he collected (for his scheme"
KillAll. Apocalypse stole cables time travel device in the "Beyond good and evil" story arc and accidentally came across the axis of time as he hurtled through time not being able to control cables device properly. That place being outside of time he spent millenia there learning its secrets, then he still needed the ten or so psychics to enable him to do the feats u talk of. It wasnt his own personal power. He was augmented by the gathering of psychics and the machinery at the axis. All of that shouldnt even be mentioned here because it is just apocalypse fighting under his own power with onslaught against tyrant.
This apocalypse certainly gave a few members of the xmen trouble(it wasnt the whole roster). This cartoon version of him still wasnt as powerful as the comic onslaught who held off the the worlds major superhero teams.
However they both pale in comparison to tyrant who was virtually onpar with galactus when full powered. Unless they had prep time and they found out all his abilities then they simply can not win. I know theres a lot of apocalypse fans here but he really isnt on that level. Current Mags is beyond any incarnation of apocalypse and it would be suicide to pit him against tyrant.
Look who the man has singlehandedly stood up against and won. I bet if u put onslaught and apocalypse against silver surfer, morg, terrax, jack of hearts and gladiator going all out they both would get f**ked up. Tyrant takes this.
Originally posted by Molecule man
Have I ever said that MM is unbeatable??? you were the one who though that Apoc could beat MM
I never thought, you still don't get it, what I said I was kidding and telling you that, beacsue you were going on my nerve (so I didn't make Apocalyse unbeatble). Yes, you are alwyas saying MM is unbeatable, agaistn DP, against Galactus, agains Richards and agaisnt everyone, while he is joke to them.
Originally posted by Molecule man
Have I ever said that MM is unbeatable??? you were the one who though that Apoc could beat MM
I never thought, you still don't get it, what I said I was kidding and telling you that, beacsue you were going on my nerve (so I didn't make Apocalyse unbeatble). Yes, you are alwyas saying MM is unbeatable, agaistn DP, against Galactus, agains Richards and agaisnt everyone, while he is joke to such of those three.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
"actually i think that apocalypse would win... if you are using his 90s cartoon version. this wasnt your average ordinary apocalypse. he was literally wiping out entire parts of reality, and refitting it to his image. it took the combined might of all the phsychics that he collected (for his scheme"KillAll. Apocalypse stole cables time travel device in the "Beyond good and evil" story arc and accidentally came across the axis of time as he hurtled through time not being able to control cables device properly. That place being outside of time he spent millenia there learning its secrets, then he still needed the ten or so psychics to enable him to do the feats u talk of. It wasnt his own personal power. He was augmented by the gathering of psychics and the machinery at the axis. All of that shouldnt even be mentioned here because it is just apocalypse fighting under his own power with onslaught against tyrant.
This apocalypse certainly gave a few members of the xmen trouble(it wasnt the whole roster). This cartoon version of him still wasnt as powerful as the comic onslaught who held off the the worlds major superhero teams.
However they both pale in comparison to tyrant who was virtually onpar with galactus when full powered. Unless they had prep time and they found out all his abilities then they simply can not win. I know theres a lot of apocalypse fans here but he really isnt on that level. Current Mags is beyond any incarnation of apocalypse and it would be suicide to pit him against tyrant.
Look who the man has singlehandedly stood up against and won. I bet if u put onslaught and apocalypse against silver surfer, morg, terrax, jack of hearts and gladiator going all out they both would get f**ked up. Tyrant takes this.
HAHAHAHA, LOL. Apocalypse in time fugitves destroyed X-Men plus Bishop in one second, he ruined the world, future was gone, expect Cable who get out of it. In Obsseison, ship beayond the star couldn't find not even one weaknes in Apocaylpse (and was virtually indestructible, existed for million years, Apocalypse with one blast shook the ship, ship was gone, out of energy). In Beyond Good and Evil, 20 + most powerul pscyhic in the universe wouldn't be enough to destroy Apcoaylpse, if Lazarus chamebr wouldn't be gone (and Xavier said that)
this 20+ most pwoerful psychic in the universe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and far and... far beyond and inacratnion of Mags incarnations togehter, (think little, but they wouldn't be enough for Apocalypse alone). 90 version Apocaylpse is above Onslaught, no doubt.
Originally posted by Xplosive
HAHAHAHA, LOL. Apocalypse in time fugitves destroyed X-Men plus Bishop in one second, he ruined the world, future was gone, expect Cable who get out of it. In Obsseison, ship beayond the star couldn't find not even one weaknes in Apocaylpse (and was virtually indestructible, existed for million years, Apocalypse with one blast shook the ship, ship was gone, out of energy). In Beyond Good and Evil, 20 + most powerul pscyhic in the universe wouldn't be enough to destroy Apcoaylpse, if Lazarus chamebr wouldn't be gone (and Xavier said that)
this 20+ most pwoerful psychic in the universe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and far and... far beyond and inacratnion of Mags incarnations togehter, (think little, but they wouldn't be enough for Apocalypse alone). 90 version Apocaylpse is above Onslaught, no doubt.
😆 That's funny since Magneto actually sent him flying in Beyond Good and Evil. And neither Magneto nor any of the X-Men have powers comparable to Surfer, Bill, or Gladiator.
Tyrant took shots from Gladiator, Bill, Surfer, Jack Of Heart, and Terrax. Shrugged it all off and beat them down. If Magneto can effect Apocalypse, Tyrant would mop the floors with him.
And no, even that Apocalypse is still below Thanos. Beating a bunch of X-Men doesn't mean you can match Thanos.
No doubt here in my mind..... Magneto ripped apoc in half right....onslaught is like half magneto right....that right there tells you its between tyrant and onslaught......onslaughts true potnetial was never reached I feel.....?...Didnt he knock Juggie half way across the planet?...Besides Darth Vader would have force choked em all so whats it matter...hehehe
Originally posted by Beyonder
😆 That's funny since Magneto actually sent him flying in Beyond Good and Evil. And neither Magneto nor any of the X-Men have powers comparable to Surfer, Bill, or Gladiator.Tyrant took shots from Gladiator, Bill, Surfer, Jack Of Heart, and Terrax. Shrugged it all off and beat them down. If Magneto can effect Apocalypse, Tyrant would mop the floors with him.
And no, even that Apocalypse is still below Thanos. Beating a bunch of X-Men doesn't mean you can match Thanos.
You also don't get it, look what power it was need cartoon Apocalypse to be stopped (immense power), Cyclops also in Come the Apocalypse sent Apocalypse flying by his blast like Magneto did, but was Apcoaylpse hurt, no, he wasn't (and Apocalypse would kill Magneto, if Logan wouldn't save him and you must be pretty stupid saying Magento had effect, so Cyclops also had effect right, you know that Apocalypse wasn't hurt for 0,01 %), immnese power of most pwoerful psychic in the universe wouldn't be enough, if Lazarus cahmber wouldn't be gone, you must get that, that power is far, far....far beoynd any incarnation of Magento, far far beyond avaengers, and it was always in cartoon when Magento was faced, they faced him, but when Apocalypse was mentioned, they scared shit out of them), in both cases he wasn't hurt, nor by Cyclops or Magneto (and ship million years old, didn't find not even one weaknes in Apocaylpse, get that), and Magneto also couldn't move him in scene afetr Magento first threw him him away, with help of Mystqe gun, and Apocaylpse was noraml size. Cyclops sent Apocalypse flying when Apocalypse didn' t watch like Magneto did, when he didn't watch, but when he was watching, nor Magento nor Cyclops, no one could move normal size Apocalypse. Look close and you will see the scene when Apocalypse was standing, Magento was shootin to his body and Mystiqe and he wasn't even moved. The he reiases a little, they both relese energy blast, Magento holds about one secodn (you can hear thorugh his voice, he can't hold not even two second) and was blown away, and than unexepectedly shot again, Apocaylse didn't see an was thorown, but not hurt nothing. I don't know why I am even bothering with this, it told nothing, baceuse Apocaylpe wasm't hurt, and was also thrown by Cyclops (Magento had efect like human punch would have). And in the end, before Apocaylpse was destroyed, he got up said he is immortal, making extreme weapon of his hands, he would kill them all, Magneto, Bishop, Cable, Wolverine and Pscloke, but then psychic showed up and killed him. Everyhitng that tells is what immense power was needed and even Xaveir said there combined power is enough, beause Lazaruis chamber was gone.
And after Magneto threw Apocalypse, he and Mystique were defeated by his horseman and Sinister and Vertigo. I really doubt they would even have a chance against Apocalypse. His horseman, Vertigo, Mistique, Magneto, Sinsiter, if they all would go in cartoon agianst Apocalypse, they would lose quickly, if there would be only battle, they would lose quickly, or if they would help in time fugitives (when X-Men were destroyed) to X-Men against Apocalypse, they would also die in one second like X-Men+ Bishop died by Apocalypse in the extremly massive blast.
And in cartoon Apocalypse dind't even want to bother with Gladiator.
Originally posted by Xplosive
And after Magneto threw Apocalypse, he and Mystique were defeated by his horseman and Sinister and Vertigo. I really doubt they would even have a chance against Apocalypse. His horseman, Vertigo, Mistique, Magneto, Sinsiter, if they all would go in cartoon agianst Apocalypse, they would lose quickly, if there would be only battle, they would lose quickly, or if they would help in time fugitives (when X-Men were destroyed) to X-Men against Apocalypse, they would also die in one second like X-Men+ Bishop died by Apocalypse in the extremly massive blast.
And in cartoon Apocalypse dind't even want to bother with Gladiator.
Him not wanting to bother Gladiator was because he already had Oracle.
As for the X-Men and Magneto, how many of them are on the level of Surfer, Terrax, Beta Ray Bill, or Gladiator? None of them have the offensive nor durability that these guys have. Tyrant tooks shots from herald level guys and smacked them all down. When Apocalyspe takes shots and beats down herald level guys, then you'll have an argument.
Bishop? God-like Cable would stomp Bishop, Magneto, and the X-Men that fought Apocalypse. And we both know Surfer beat God-like Cable.
Xplosive, you are a serious mountain of misinformation...I challenged you about this in another thread a few weeks back and you ran away like a six year old girl.
Originally posted by XplosiveReally? He destroyed the X-Men and Bishop in one second? Go back and watch it again. If you pay attention this time, you'll notice that the battle was inconclusive. He grew to an enormous size and went after the X-Men. Nowhere is it shown that he killed the X-Men or Bishop. They showed the beginning of the fight, and then cut to Cable in the future. How can you say Cable escaped, when he wasn't even a part of that fight? He was watching from the future through his computer. Oh but now you're going to say the X-Men died and didn't exist in the future...there's no proof that it was due to Apocalypse. They could have easily died over time from exposure to the virus.
HAHAHAHA, LOL. Apocalypse in time fugitves destroyed X-Men plus Bishop in one second, he ruined the world, future was gone, expect Cable who get out of it.
In Obsseison, ship beayond the star couldn't find not even one weaknes in Apocaylpse (and was virtually indestructible, existed for million years, Apocalypse with one blast shook the ship, ship was gone, out of energy).
Way to stretch the truth to fit your own ends. The ship made no mention of finding weaknesses in Apocalypse...don't know where the hell you're getting that from. Apocalypse did NOT blast the ship. Archangel slammed into the controls, which weakened the ship. Then the ship was further weakened in her attempt to imprison Apocalypse. If he was so big and strong, how come he couldn't escape the ship's grasp?
In Beyond Good and Evil, 20 + most powerul pscyhic in the universe wouldn't be enough to destroy Apcoaylpse, if Lazarus chamebr wouldn't be gone (and Xavier said that)
this 20+ most pwoerful psychic in the universe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and far and... far beyond and inacratnion of Mags incarnations togehter, (think little, but they wouldn't be enough for Apocalypse alone).
What about outside the Axis of Time? He was a b*tch. Any fool could have entered the Axis and took it over, Apoc was nothing special. And that wasn't the 20 most powerful telepaths, either. A few notables were missing, including Dr. Strange, Moondragon, the Kree Supreme Intelligence, and Galactus (who is a very powerful telepath in his own right).
90 version Apocaylpse is above Onslaught, no doubt.
No doubt you're a delusional fanboy.
As for this thread, the battle is truly between Onslaught and Tyrant. Onslaught may be able to take him, if Franklin's powers are fully realized.
Otherwise, Tyrant.