How do you know for sure?

BackFire

What about my faith in Jesus Christ do you find questionable? There is a wealth of circumstancial evidence plausible enough to withstand scrutiny in a court of law to support my faith.

I challenge you to read "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. The book contains interviews with scientists, archeologists and historians discussing issues surrounding Jesus Christ. Lee Strobel was an Atheist workinig as a journalist to prove Christianity wrong. In the process, he became a Christian. It's an easy read; it's nothing but interviews with subject matter experts.

Send me a private message with your home or work mailing address, and I will buy the book and mail it to you if that's what it takes.

Test me on this.

Jesus Christ is questionable because there is factually no proof that he did the deeds that are claimed (water to wine, ressurecting from the dead, walking on water, etc).

BackFire

If not miracles and the resurrection, what do you propose branded Jesus Christ the title of being the most controversial historical figure in the world? After all, Jesus Christ is just a product of imagination right?

Good marketing by Christians.

How do christians know for sure that psychic stuff is evil? Because the bible says it? If the bible said living past 17 was evil would you kill yourself when you were 17?

It's strange. I myself have had proof of the afterlife, I know for sure that it exists. From belief, and from proof. But others don't believe in it. It's strange that I know ghosts exist but others don't.

I know people will be saying "Ghosts don't exist just because you say so." But ghosts DO exist. I have had solid proof of this, and someday the truth will be revealed. Weather christians like it or not.

Originally posted by BackFire
Jesus Christ is questionable because there is factually no proof that he did the deeds that are claimed (water to wine, ressurecting from the dead, walking on water, etc).

Exactly!

Although my dad is not religious, he says that the bible is proof. But that isn't proof! For all we know some guy could have been drunk when he wrote it!

I think christians are brain washed. They don't seem to be able to think for themselves. They think psychic stuff is evil because they are told it's evil. They are not letting themselves decide, they are letting others decide for them.

Many metaphysical things can be proved with science now.

BackFire

Christian marketing? Explain your theory please.

BlackC@t

One issue at a time.

They know how to market their guy. "He died for your sins, etc etc, he did this miracle and that miracle, though we can't prove it, he did!" Just because something is controversial doesn't mean diddly, it certainly doesn't mean that he did the magic tricks that are claimed..

Point is, there is no hands down proof of anything having to do with religion, it can't be proven that jesus did his miracles, it can't be proven that god exists, it can't be proven. There is no proof that christianity is correct, there is no proof that aethiesm is correct, there is not proof that budhism is correct. It's all a matter of belief, anyone who claims it to be more then that is wrong.

Originally posted by BlackC@t
Exactly!

Although my dad is not religious, he says that the bible is proof. But that isn't proof! For all we know some guy could have been drunk when he wrote it!

I think christians are brain washed. They don't seem to be able to think for themselves. They think psychic stuff is evil because they are told it's evil. They are not letting themselves decide, they are letting others decide for them.

Well actualy there were 36 authors who wrote the books in the Bible over quite a few decades. Maybe all of them were drunk? 🙄

Originally posted by BlackC@t
How do christians know for sure that psychic stuff is evil? Because the bible says it? If the bible said living past 17 was evil would you kill yourself when you were 17?

It's strange. I myself have had proof of the afterlife, I know for sure that it exists. From belief, and from proof. But others don't believe in it. It's strange that I know ghosts exist but others don't.

I know people will be saying "Ghosts don't exist just because you say so." But ghosts DO exist. I have had solid proof of this, and someday the truth will be revealed. Weather christians like it or not.

Don't generalise. We don't think it is evil, but the Bible tells us not to meddle in the spirit realm because we cannot fully understand it and can easily be fooled by dark spirits posing as for example your dead grandma. The spirit realm is very complicated and we do not have enough knowledge to safely go there. People become possessed because they think it is a joke or they do not know what they are dealing with. And yes I do believe in ghosts (spirits). Even the Bible tells us that just after Jesus died many spirits of people were seen in Jerusalem.
Why they are here and where they come from is still uncertain. I have my own personal view on that.

I do know that many churches say things are evil because it's not understood. Fortunately science has been proving that many invisible things are indeed natural. Psychic phenomena is also natural, though to dabble in something you don't understand can be harmful. There are positive and negative energies in the world. The negative ones can do you some damage.

Originally posted by BackFire
They know how to market their guy. "He died for your sins, etc etc, he did this miracle and that miracle, though we can't prove it, he did!" Just because something is controversial doesn't mean diddly, it certainly doesn't mean that he did the magic tricks that are claimed..

These so called magical tricks that Jesus performed still happens today... blind people see after being layed hands on, paralysed start to walk, people on the verge of death in hospitals walking out completely healed after one prayer and all of this happens with many witnesses, sometimes thousands, around. There is a evangelist called Raynard Bonke, who has prayed for someone who had no hand and while praying the hand started forming and growing from the arm stump, this was video taped. People has risen from the dead after he prayed for them. He prayed for a Muslim child without eyes and over three days eyes formed in the eye sockets. As a result a whole town became Christians. They were all witness to this. But I guess there is such a big conspiracy going on and everybody is lying. These things/miracles make Jesus and all he did true because he said that in His name we will do these things. We do not need any more proof than this. Next time a evangelist comes to your town, go and see the power of Jesus Christ still working today.

Sorry, evangelists are minipulative liars. All they do is pay people to fake being paralized or blind, and then have them come out and walk after he touches them and shit.

They don't prove shit.

Originally posted by BackFire
Sorry, evangelists are minipulative liars. All they do is pay people to fake being paralized or blind, and then have them come out and walk after he touches them and shit.

They don't prove shit.

Do they pay the doctors in hospitals and all the staff as well? I never received any money to fake the miracle that happened to me. Get real!

I wouldn't doubt taht they do.

Just becuase strange things have happened to you personally doens't prove anything. There is no proof of any belief, it's all faith, period.

Originally posted by BackFire
I wouldn't doubt taht they do.

Just becuase strange things have happened to you personally doens't prove anything. There is no proof of any belief, it's all faith, period.

You are so paranoid. It looks more like you were brainwashed not to believe.

What happened to me was not strange. We asked God for it, prayed and it happened in front of our eyes. God gave me the proof of what I believed in.

In case you were wondering, I was born with one leg 2 inches shorter than the other so much that I could not walk normal or wear normal shoes. During the prayer, we had our eyes open, I saw my leg grow to fit the length of the other. I could feel a warm sensation run down my leg. I stood up that night and walk out normal for the first time. But I guess it is just all faith, period.

BackFire

Without the belief in the resurrection the Christian faith could not have come into being. The disciples would have remained crushed and defeated men. Even had they continued to remember Jesus as their beloved teacher, his Crucifixion would have forever silenced any hopes of his being the Messiah. The cross would have remained the sad and shameful end of this career.

Christianity hinges on the belief of the early disciples that God has raised Jesus from the dead. The disciples had nothing to gain by starting a new religion. They faced hardship, ridicule, hostility, and martyr’s deaths. In light of this, they could have never sustained such unwavering motivation if they knew what they were preaching was a lie.

Despite everything stated, your probably still skeptical, and that's fine. It's natural to question accusations and demand evidence. Continue doing so, but study material thwarted by subject matter experts, not philosophy. Let the facts speak for themselves.

Pretend for a moment, that you and I were sitting next to each other in a New York subway waiting for our scheduled train to arrive prior to work in the morning. In the effort to kill time, we engage in small talk. More so, my mood takes a hard left and I begin to relay to you that I saw Ronald Reagan the other day, who has been dead for about 6 months now. Before I could finish my sentence, you'd label me mentally unstable and feel that rooms with padded walls would best suit me. You'd feel that way because you are well aware of the natural affliction called death. In so, you do NOT take me seriously.

Ancient times were no different. People were well aware of death, and to hear stories of Jesus Christ rising from the dead must have been ridiculous, unless there was proof of course. Knowing this (to include all the Christian martyrs) there must have been a supernatural event. Only, and only a supernatural event would guarantee the life of Christianity. Lies have a short life span, and damned if I'd ever die for one.

I doubt they would too.

Originally posted by ushomefree
BackFire

Without the belief in the resurrection the Christian faith could not have come into being. The disciples would have remained crushed and defeated men. Even had they continued to remember Jesus as their beloved teacher, his Crucifixion would have forever silenced any hopes of his being the Messiah. The cross would have remained the sad and shameful end of this career.

Christianity hinges on the belief of the early disciples that God has raised Jesus from the dead. The disciples had nothing to gain by starting a new religion. They faced hardship, ridicule, hostility, and martyr’s deaths. In light of this, they could have never sustained such unwavering motivation if they knew what they were preaching was a lie.

Ancient times were no different. People were well aware of death, and to hear stories of Jesus Christ rising from the dead must have been ridiculous, unless there was proof of course. Knowing this (to include all the Christian martyrs) there must have been a supernatural event. Only, and only a supernatural event would guarantee the life of Christianity. Lies have a short life span, and damned if I'd ever die for one.

I doubt they would too.

I agree with you 100%. Today very few people would die for what they believe in so what are the chances of dying or suffering for a lie.

sonnet

Thank you for the compliment.