Originally posted by Uncle Moses
Sure, Thor has the Asgardian cosmic. He can also amp his strength beyond Hulk, so I guess they never were evenly matched.
If they were evenly matched at the beginning, why was Thor able to stalemate him for an hour much longer after the fight had started?
You claim that the Hulk grows in strength so rapidly, yet you claim that he's at his base when he's been fighting for a very long time?
Originally posted by Uncle Moses
Probably because Hulk didn't get much stronger over the course of the hour.And I've never claimed Hulk can grow much stronger rapidly.
So you think that Hulk starts off as Thor's equal and does NOT get stronger. Wonder how the hell Doc Samson knocked out the hulk then.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i think that incident had more to do with plot.thor was still in his arrogant phase and his early relationship with the hulk was a very humbling experience, a deadlock with a human was actually what thor needed.
I'm referring to the time when Strange interrupted them, not the time when Thor threw away his hammer....
Nor was it a particularly humbling experience.
He knocked him out with a sucker shot, the same way Mantis knocked Thor out, except Mantis's attack wasn't a sucker shot.
And of course Hulk gets stronger, he even stated to Thor in a squabble that while Thor fights, gets weaker and more tired, Hulk's getting stronger and not losing any stamina while healing any damage inflicted upon him.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
hulk calmed down and wanted to leave, his power plummeted and samson cheap shotted him since he thought it was an imitation.
Once again, this completely fails to address the point. He claimed that Hulk's BASE strength was equal to Thor's.
Originally posted by Uncle Moses
He knocked him out with a sucker shot, the same way Mantis knocked Thor out, except Mantis's attack wasn't a sucker shot.And of course Hulk gets stronger, he even stated to Thor in a squabble that while Thor fights, gets weaker and more tired, Hulk's getting stronger and not losing any stamina while healing any damage inflicted upon him.
I guess taking a dive against Mantis beats getting taken out by a snake....
If Hulk did in fact start off as equal to Thor and grows in strength, then he would not find himself being stalemated for well over an hour. This is a pretty simple concept.
Originally posted by Uncle Moses
No, it just means Hulk's strength doesn't grow as exponentially as you want it to so you can say Thor's stronger.A 1% growth per 10 minute average is still a madder/stronger growth, but not a big enough one to make a overly noticeable difference.
That's pretty slow.
Good thing that's not the case.
Originally posted by Kris Blazei never said anything on the contrary, i was just adding context so some noob doesn't think it was kosher.
Once again, this completely fails to address the point. He claimed that Hulk's BASE strength was equal to Thor's.
everyone and their momma knows the hulk's power is emotion/pain fueled, samson is a frickin' psychiatrist and his gamble worked (for a while), even though he like broke his hand on his jaw.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i never said anything on the contrary, i was just adding context so some noob doesn't think it was kosher.everyone and their momma knows the hulk's power is emotion/pain fueled, samson is a frickin' psychiatrist and his gamble worked (for a while), even though he like broke his hand on his jaw.
YET AGAIN!
I was asking Moses how he explains Doc Samson knocking out the Hulk if his base strength is equal to Thor's. If Hulk at his base was indeed equal, then Doc Samson would not be able to knock him out regardless of his emotional state....
Originally posted by Uncle Moses
You don't know what the case is, there's never been a gauge as to how fast Hulk's strength jumps and it varies per story.Most stories, you can't even tell he's getting stronger. Fact is, Savage Hulk at base is equal to Thor.
Funny how Thor can knock out someone who's superior to the Hulk at base levels with a single punch then (Abomination). Especially when the Hulk needs to grow in order to stand a chance :/
Originally posted by Uncle Moses
You're going to have to call the idiot police on me because Thor nearly got his top taken off by Cap?
No, I'm going to have to call them on you for a couple of reasons.
- Thor was wearing the necklace Strange put him on, locking away the Odinforce.
- Thor had been fighting the Hulk and The Thing for hours, lost an arm and killed the pair.
- Cap does not have the strength to decapitate Thor, nor has he ever displayed it.
So once again, how was Thor powered up? Having the Odinforce locked away, lacking an arm and just finishing up a several hours long fight?
Originally posted by Kris Blazei agree that his strength isn't the same as thor's when he is CALM, the handbooks say it in black and white, not an issue.
YET AGAIN!I was asking Moses how he explains Doc Samson knocking out the Hulk if his base strength is equal to Thor's. If Hulk at his base was indeed equal, then Doc Samson would not be able to knock him out regardless of his emotional state....
but the example of samson ko'ing him from a cheapshot doesn't support that since it's seperate. could have floored thor for a sec under the same conditions.
getting hit in the jaw when not prepared is almost a certain knockdown, nerves and shit.