Will ROTS make Phantom Menace Better?(MAJOR SPOILERS)

Well, this is a whole new generation of fans. I don't care much for it, either. I watched the originals and loved them for what they were. Sure, ANH was rather slow in retrospect, but it was still a damn good movie and I'd watch it again and again. But agreeing with Waverly here, if TPM was the first movie ever (For a lot of you that's the case, and it's a scary thought that you saw TPM before anything... ) I can't say I'd be as avid a fan as I am now. The PT (ROTS aside, since it hasn't even been in theatres yet) doesn't have the magic of the originals. It's all flash and pizzazz and -kick- ass lightsaber duels. Plot material being ground up to make more special effects.

Originally posted by Lazerlike42
I don't think ANH is "crap," but I definitely see the guy's point. I mean, it's just different. It's takes SO much time to get going, and it has SO much introductory stuff, even more than TPM.

Exqueese me?? That is so odd. Introductory stuff isn't bad per se, but the WHOLE of TPM is introductory stuff. PLus you never get an idea what the heck is going on. In ANH what's at stake is clear: get the DS plans or the Rebllion will die. And Luke is going to play a vital part in that. Simple, clear and well worked out.
Now TPM: there's a trade dispute on taxes (yawn), there are Neimodians (I though the 60s Star Trek days were over), there are two Jedi and a whole council, there's a queen, a Chancellor and a contender, there's a mysterious Dark Lord with a demonic helper (now that was cool!), and there's a little boy. And they allr un around a mysterious unknown threat: a phantom menace... Now, THAT is nothing... all introductory. KNowing that Palpatine was to be the Emperor (as described in the 1977 introduction to the ANH novel), it was a bad move to keep that from the general audience.
AOTC basically has the same problem: what the heck is it about.

Now, I can live with these things because I can appreciate the subtleties, but what I cannot appreciate that it is all so subtle and hidden, as if that is adding anything to the suspense drive of the story. At least the OT had that, you know what's at stake - will they make it or not.
In TPM and AOTC it's more like: well, I know what's going to happen so I can dig it taht I hardly see it here.

To me there already great and I think Revenge Of The Sith will improve all of the movies because it will complete the missing elements of the story.

Well, I think the whole concept of ROTS "improving" TPM and AOTC is complete nonsense.

I dig all the star wars movies, but i dont think even ROTS will cure anakins crying bi*ch a*s in Episode 2... The LOve Crapola in the movie makes me sick, but the action is top notch...

My point exactly. What is bad, will still be bad.

I think it will make the movie better, whether it is good or bad.

I think it will improve them for many people. There are a lot of people that didn't like TPM because they didn't understand what was going on. The politics was too heavy for some people in other words. Once people see ROTS and understand the politics and Sidious' plan, they may not be so averse to TPM or parts of AOTC.

Originally posted by DarthLazious
Hey I loved TPM and AOTC before ROTS was ever made.

I love all the episodes of the Star Wars saga.

i agree with him

me too

me three.

Star Wars doesn't have the fallability like Star Trek, where the rule of thumb is to watch every even-numbered film (ST 2, ST4, etc...).

All the Star Wars films, even with their flaws, blemishes, etc. are still enjoyable to watch to the end.

Me four.

Me five.

Okay, there seems to be alot of "I loved TPM anyway" posts.

The point of the thread was to ask if you thought ROTS would magnify smaller details from TPM and make a great movie even greater.

I never said I hate TPM or anything, though I'm not exactly sure what the article I posted said(have to check again).

I love TPM, out of 5 great movies I place it as the 4th greatest.

i agree with the ones, eps 4 is the worst in the entire series...

but it deserves respect as it is the movie that started it all, the only scene thats really really good in 4 is when luke and ben are in the hut and there talking about the clone wars and anakin. other then that, its a horribly boring movie....to me anyways

oh and a few scenes with vader, ie. the meeting room scene with tarkin which has the best line in star wars ever i think "i find your lack of faith disturbing"..

in all honesty thats the best line with the best delivery of all 6 movies (well of the 5, since i have yet to see 3, but i doubt they will top it)

its absolutely awesome..

Originally posted by Lazerlike42
I think it will improve them for many people. There are a lot of people that didn't like TPM because they didn't understand what was going on. The politics was too heavy for some people in other words. Once people see ROTS and understand the politics and Sidious' plan, they may not be so averse to TPM or parts of AOTC.

That still doesn't make TPM and AOTC great films. It SHOULD have been clearer and the fact that one has to wait 6 years (or now almost 5 hours) to get what the heck is going on, is a demonstation of bad storytelling. ROTS will hopefully save face for the PT's. but it cannot possibly make TPM and AOTC better.

E3 will be more of a compliment to what TPM and AOTC laid out before, storywise.
ANH rules six ways to Tuesday!

1. I agree with the fact that RotS will improve appreciation on the previous I and II, but mostly just for the new comers to the SW Universe.
2. I have found Star Wars (meaning Episode IV) in more that one list of those with the title “The Best 100 movies of all time”, lists made by expert movie critics, and do not expect to see any of the other Episodes in the same situation in the short term. The history of movies, considering FX, could actually be classified in: before and after Star Wars, meaning 1977 SW. One definitely has to view this movie with historical considerations. If not, we may end saying that “Casa Blanca” is a bad movie because it is too dark and dull.
3. Episodes I and II are bad by more than one reason, but mainly because of the bad actors… they really suck!! E I at least have Liam Nielsen, but E II has this new kid, a duller Padme and most probably the worst romantic plot ever to be seen in the whole Galaxy! Not to mention the worst light-saber duel ever… and that is much to say. E I still has DM vs. QGJ, with “Duel of the Fates” as background music!!! (a glorious moment just spoiled by the stupid scene where OW kills DM). E III still lacks on the acting department, but not as nearly as bad as its predecessor.
4. In my humble opinion, the best movie of the whole saga is “The Empire Strikes Back” in every aspect.

PS. And concerning the best line in SW, I will take the whole exposition of Yoda about the force on “The Empire Strikes Back” any day over any other.