Fantastic 4 vs Fantastic 4

Originally posted by Thorion
Hulk solos this. I honestly can't think of a weaker team then the original FF. I mean, Vision soloed them.

Bah... This isn't The x-men... Grey HULK isn't soloing The FF. Ben's went through most of The Avengers at the same time by himself.

Originional doesn't mean 1960's FF it means 2000 FF...Just so we're clear.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
If Richards has time to make a plan..then they can take it. If its a Random Battle then they're screwed...

I'll go with that. Because the FF are trained to function as a team, they might take it with prep. Otherwise, they are too outgunned.

Originally posted by Thorion
I honestly can't think of a weaker team then the original FF.

this ones been done to death on the KMC boards, at least 2 other times that I can remember. Anyhow, the new team takes in my opinion. Ghost Rider can use his penace stare to take Invisible Woman out of the fight right away. Hell Ghost Rider can give the entire team trouble by himself. Wolverine and the Hulk have both served the Thing a firm beating before, and Im sure Spider-man would do the same, as he accels at fighting guys like Ben. Assuming Ghost Rider cant use the stare on Sue, he could still entangle Torch with the chain and burn Reed and Ben with Hellfire. Come to think of it, I wouldnt be surprised if Hellfire worked on Johnny as well. Dont let the movie fool you, Ghost Rider is a beast.

hulk can solo the fantastic four, so giving him help would be enough

This is one of the weaker Hulk variations, so I dont think he'd solo it. Giving him 3 teammates would do it though.

hulk solo wins

Bleh, this isnt the WWH version! This one doesnt have gamma powered PIS backing him up. Torch's strongest blasts werent enough to burn off WWH's pants... Well damn it he'd burn off Prof. Hulk or Grey Hulks pants! The old FF vs Hulk fights usually came down to Thing vs Hulk because thats what the fans wanted to see. Working as a team, the FF wouldve likely beaten him.

Originally posted by redhotrash
Bleh, this isnt the WWH version! This one doesnt have gamma powered PIS backing him up. Torch's strongest blasts werent enough to burn off WWH's pants... Well damn it he'd burn off Prof. Hulk or Grey Hulks pants! The old FF vs Hulk fights usually came down to Thing vs Hulk because thats what the fans wanted to see. Working as a team, the FF wouldve likely beaten him.

Not anymore. Just before Hulk was tricked off-planet he took a supernova and was still about to kill Ben. It's been so long since I've read that issue however that I don't remember how it ended.

He said the one from the new FF, which was Professor Hulk

Ah, true. Just noting that it doesn't take WWH to wreck Johnny and Ben. I still don't see Professor having trouble replicating the same feat however as pre-Planet Hulk-Hulk.

Originally posted by lft4ded
Not anymore. Just before Hulk was tricked off-planet he took a supernova and was still about to kill Ben. It's been so long since I've read that issue however that I don't remember how it ended.

Hulk soloes.

Or chek this out:

Ghot Roder vs HT
Wolverine vs Thing
Spider-Man vs Reed Richards
Hulk vs Sue Storm

Johnny Blaze solos

Ghost Rider solo's.

I mean, what can the FF do to him?

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Sue can bubble in the brain Spiderman Hulk and Wolverine. Spidey dies, the other two are ko'd. Don't know how they beat GR. Thing is pretty wholesome, he may be able to just pummel GR. The stare won't work on him.

Stare works on everyone. It put Strange in a coma.

And pummeling Blaze won't do squat. WWH Hulk did it, GR got back up and mini nuked the surrounding area.

Anyway, GR doesn't need to Stare to beat The Thing. He can chain his ankles then use Grimm as a flail to KO the rest of the four. Or he could just fire nuke them all.