The only time I have ever tripped... i took some sudafed, downed some beers on an empty stomach, and had a really crappy drug-alcohol interaction. My body was shuddering uncontrollably, my heart nearly stopped, my speech was slurred beyond anything, and I just about said goodbye world. My mom pretty much saved my life on that one. Drugs are about as smart to use as placing a locked and loaded shotgun into the hands of a baby.
If that isnt enough, here is a horror story from one guy I used to hang with. He used to dope up and get drunk during his senior year of High School. We all partied at his buddies and his house. One night he got so wasted, he couldnt get up to use the bathroom. He began messing himself and pissing on the floor. (i was outta there before this went down.) Two of the guys still there had to drag him to the john, and then PRS to find out who would have to hold his wang, 'cause he (the drunk guy ) couldnt. Do you really wanna go through that??? ( names withheld for a reason.)
Sorry for the lateness. Had a final. Incredibly easy but unnecessarily long. 🙁
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Maybe you should just think before making such an all inclusive post as "they cause pain, suffering and death."
Maybe you should stop making sarcastic comments and actually post a factual rejoinder. The above makes no sense other than to show off a stark wit. Which is all it is. Nothing more.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Oh yeah, haha. Coz that's sort of what I said to you, so you reworked it and used it against me. You clever chap./[B]
Oh, yes. You invented the argument and I reworked and plagiarised. PLEEEESE. Once again. Sarcasm, stark wit and nothing more. No facts. No data. Just useless arrogant banter. Again.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[B]Yeah exactly, it refers to all illegal drugs and not all illegal drugs cause death, pain and suffering.It can't be about all illegal drugs, not weed, but all illegal drugs. I was proving you wrong. You claimed that drugs cause pain, suffering and death. I proved to you that "they" don't. It applies to some and even the dangerous ones don't always cause pain, suffering and death. So stop being so overly general.
Besides marijuana and select few? Sure. But a large majority of them? Yes. Once again you lose sight of the big picture. Again. So a couple of drugs don't outright kill you or cause serious mental/societal damage to you. You accuse me of generalizing? I accuse you of trivializing. Your argument is thus: "Not all drugs cause pain, suffering and death. A couple of them don't. Like weed." That's just ignorant. Cocaine, Heroin, Speed, Crystal and dozens of other illegal drugs causes millions of deaths all around the world but you believe that illegal drugs aren't all that bad because weed and magic mushrooms don't kill you? That's a very narrow view to look at things. For example, not all cancers can cause pain, suffering and death. But most of them do. In your mind cancer ain't all that bad is it. I have the right to generalize because for the large part it's true. You have constantly trivialized illegal drugs as a harmless substance because of weed and mushrooms. You ignore every other illegal drug out there and focus on the twain. You don't have a grasp on reality.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How strange. You are against them purely because a group of people tell you you're not allowed. I can understand not DOING drugs because they're illegal, but being openly against them because they're illegal? That's a strange one. [B]
You misunderstand. Again. I'm against illegal drugs because A) they're harmful to your health and will wither your life to dust B) they're used to keep illegal immigrants in sweatshops and for child labor in making the drugs C) They cost billions of dollars a year in healthcare to treat addicts D) The profit for drugs go to criminals, mob lords and even some terrorist factions and finally E) they're responsible for many newborns born into the world with addictions to the drugs their mothers were using.
They're illegal for reason. A good reason. A just reason. What's really strange is that you seem devoted to defend illegal drugs to the bitter bone. I won't comment on your real life but it irks me that you advocate the validity of using harmful, poisonous substances that cause so many wrongs in society. That's not only strange its downright disturbing.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
[B]Myself is not all I care about, I just realise that it's not my responsibility or care to dwell on the wellbeing of society. Why should I? I care for myself and those immediately involved with me. Why? Because I live my life for me not for society. This isn't about me however, so let's proceed:
Like or not you are a member of society. The problem with your beliefs of "responsibility for thyself" is that your opinions shouldn't matter than. You believe drugs should be legalized. Why? Because it benefits only you. Your aspirations. Your desires. Yourself and only yourself. You've flipped the proverbial bird to everyone around you. So what if the economy crashes? So what if million of people contract diseases and die in a gutter due to a heroin overdose. As long as Alpha Centauri can smoke weed he doesn't give a f***. That's not just incredibly selfish it borders, even transcends, the realm into arrogance. Once again, your beliefs are all that matter. Your word is fact. Alpha is truly the Alpha is his own little world. That's not reality. Don't care about society? Don't participate in society then. Your opinion is null and void because all you care about is yourself and those you deem worthy of your attention. Drugs are major and crucial issue to society and the people who are a part of it. Save the ego for more petty matters.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There you go again.Bring bane? I'm single handedly ruining your theory then. They quite obviously do not bring bane to whoever they touch. There's living proof all over the planet.
Pot and Mushrooms (for example) grow naturally. Legalising them, contrary to your belief, would benefit economy. Not damage it.
You're single handedly proving nothing. How do you disprove a theory without FACTS and DATA. Not just your opinion and sarcasm. Which is all you normally post.
Once again, you trivialize illegal drugs. Pot and mushrooms. That's it. That's all Alpha cares about. Alpha's gonna ignore 90% of the illegal substances out there that would wreck the economy and yes, brings bane to whatever it touches? How is cocaine going to benefit the economy? Heroin? Crystal. Barbiturates?
With this rhetoric nullified we can now transgress to what would happen to both our society and economy. We spend billions of tax dollars a year treating the negative consequences of alcohol and tobacco. These drugs alone result in millions of deaths, lost jobs and broken families. Based on the prior information, do we have the slightest idea what would be the negative consequences of legalizing drugs? Alcohol and cigarettes are pale comparisons to the greater effects of such illegal drugs like cocaine or heroin. What would happen if we legalized them? Teenagers would have much more accessibility to the newly legalized drugs. As the number of addicted teenagers would grow, the number of teenage pregnancies would increase, the number of automobile accidents would increase, the number of contractions of sexually-transmitted diseases would increase, and more children out of wedlock would be born. That means government spending to offset the negative consequences would increase exponentially. Taxes? It’s going to get higher. Auto insurance? It’s going to get higher. Health insurance? It’s going to get higher. Some advocates for drug legalization argue that a taxation of the formally-illegal drugs would counter these costs and even put more money into the economy. However they fail to recognize that such a tax would most likely become a regressive tax as it is with cigarettes. This means that the consumers, the poor more accurately, would be paying most of the tax. Such a regressive tax could spell an even wider income gap.
The problem is the addictiveness of drugs. Consumption of drugs would rise speedily due to the addictive qualities of drugs. The demand for the drugs would continue to rise as consumers become more and more addicted. As the demand rises speedily the supply would rapidly decrease. A market where the supply cannot meet the demand is not only price raising but also an inefficient one. Thus the effects of the negatives mentioned above would increase exponentially. It would be a never ending cycle. Production of drugs would require land and resources. As the demand for drugs increases with its consumer’s addiction than so must the supply. While some may say that this would produce many jobs and produce more economically beneficial wages for workers, they fail to recognize the extent of the productions flaws. For example, many illicit drugs are grown in Colombia. If the demand increases so must the production of the goods. Production requires land and resources. Thus drugs corporations in Colombia would have to use an exponential amount of land and resources to make their drugs. How far will they go? Into cities? Into the rainforest? Into other countries even? How many essential natural resources would be used to create these illicit drugs? Is the costs of depleted natural resources, a deprived environment and the use of lands that could be used for medical crops or food for those who need it a good trade-off for the profits of a mind-altering drugs that only seeks to cause devastation and death to whatever it touches? I think not.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I see the big picture perfectly well. Just because I said, I FOCUS on me, doesn't mean I can't LOOK elsewhere.
Of course. How could I forget. Alpha Centauri is the world. How silly of me. You don't look elsewhere. You focus on pot and mushrooms. That's it. Nothing else. Why? Because you like them. Thus they should be legalized. F*** everyone else because Alpha said so
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Your big picture isn't accurate. Nor is your perception of drugs, totally. For one, you seem to be of the belief that all drugs are harmful substances and two, you admit to being against drugs because they are illegal. Lots of right things happen to be illegal. Illegal doesn't mean wrong, it means the government say you're not allowed..
My big picture isn't perfect. Granted. However it's alot more indepth than your "pot and magic mushrooms are not harmful. Thus all drugs should be legalized" arguement. My perception on drugs isn't accurate because you say so? Not likely. I admit that illegal drugs are harmful and detrimental to society thus validating their illegal status. Illegal certainly doesn't mean wrong. But it does in this case in my opinion.
Originally posted by Draco69
Maybe you should stop making sarcastic comments and actually post a factual rejoinder. The above makes no sense other than to show off a stark wit. Which is all it is. Nothing more.Oh, yes. You invented the argument and I reworked and plagiarised. PLEEEESE. Once again. Sarcasm, stark wit and nothing more. No facts. No data. Just useless arrogant banter. Again.
It obviously isn't as pointless as you claim considering you took the time to quote and reply to it. Think about these things and stop reading so much into them.
Originally posted by Draco69
Besides marijuana and select few? Sure. But a large majority of them? Yes. Once again you lose sight of the big picture. Again. So a couple of drugs don't outright kill you or cause serious mental/societal damage to you. You accuse me of generalizing? I accuse you of trivializing. Your argument is thus: "Not all drugs cause pain, suffering and death. A couple of them don't. Like weed." That's just ignorant. Cocaine, Heroin, Speed, Crystal and dozens of other illegal drugs causes millions of deaths all around the world but you believe that illegal drugs aren't all that bad because weed and magic mushrooms don't kill you? That's a very narrow view to look at things. For example, not all cancers can cause pain, suffering and death. But most of them do. In your mind cancer ain't all that bad is it. I have the right to generalize because for the large part it's true. You have constantly trivialized illegal drugs as a harmless substance because of weed and mushrooms. You ignore every other illegal drug out there and focus on the twain. You don't have a grasp on reality.
Ignorant? As you wish. Correct? Yes. Either way that wasn't my arguement, it was something I raised. You claimed that "Drugs" cause those things. I'm not denying that many are capable of doing so, you won't hear denial from me. However even the most dangerous drugs aren't guaranteed of it.
Secondly, don't speak to me about how cancer doesn't matter to me and then have the lack of respect to call me ignorant. I've lost alot of people I love to cancer. People have lost people they love to drugs, yes, there are bad sides and I totally respect that, I've seen it. Very bad sides. There are also other sides, hence why they are called "sides". So don't be so presumptuous as to say I have no grip on reality. I don't claim drugs are harmless because of weed and shrooms, but as long as drugs like that exist, you can't claim that "drugs" cause the things you said, as a whole. Because they are just possibilities. I'm not condoning drug abuse, I'm saying there's more to it.
Originally posted by Draco69
You misunderstand. Again. I'm against illegal drugs because A) they're harmful to your health and will wither your life to dust B) they're used to keep illegal immigrants in sweatshops and for child labor in making the drugs C) They cost billions of dollars a year in healthcare to treat addicts D) The profit for drugs go to criminals, mob lords and even some terrorist factions and finally E) they're responsible for many newborns born into the world with addictions to the drugs their mothers were using.
A) See above. B) Coz they are illegal, being one of the reasons. I suggest you research where every item of your clothing came from, because maybe it was made by a child labour employee. Borderline hypocricy. C) So don't treat them. Oh wait bigger picture...we have to actually care. Oh wait, no we don't. We could save billions and let them make their own decisions instead of forcing treatment upon them that costs millions. A guy buys some heroin, dies, big deal. Billions saved. D) So make em legal and let the profit go to the government to help get rid of the deficit. E) Hardly a reason to be against drugs. You're far too concerned with everyone else.
Originally posted by Draco69
They're illegal for reason. A good reason. A just reason. What's really strange is that you seem devoted to defend illegal drugs to the bitter bone. I won't comment on your real life but it irks me that you advocate the validity of using harmful, poisonous substances that cause so many wrongs in society. That's not only strange its downright disturbing.
Have you ever tried mushrooms? Yes I'm referring to a single drug, because they're illegal to. Ever tried them? Believe me when I tell you there's no justifiable reason why they are illegal. Same goes for weed. As for other drugs, I can see why they're illegal but that's not right. Society is far too scared to legalise them because it'd be the most hypocritical move in history, despite it being the right one.
Guns cause wrongs in society, criminals do, politicians do, racism does. Drugs sitting in a field or on a shelf, do not. Drugs aren't the problem, the way they are dealt is. Legalise them and you've erased drug dealers. Seems like a big plus. Legalise weed, mushrooms and all other illegal drugs and tax them. You've then got lots and lots of money coming in and no they won't run out because they will be being manufactured.
Originally posted by Draco69
Like or not you are a member of society. The problem with your beliefs of "responsibility for thyself" is that your opinions shouldn't matter than. You believe drugs should be legalized. Why? Because it benefits only you. Your aspirations. Your desires. Yourself and only yourself. You've flipped the proverbial bird to everyone around you.
Thanks for telling me why I would like drugs to be legalised, I appreciate it. It's alot different to the actual reason but thanks.
Why? Because it's a choice. If someone wants to go die on heroin, it doesn't matter to me. What does matter to me is that you complain billions are spent to rehab the guy for a choice he made on his own. So don't rehab them.
Originally posted by Draco69
So what if the economy crashes? So what if million of people contract diseases and die in a gutter due to a heroin overdose. As long as Alpha Centauri can smoke weed he doesn't give a f***. That's not just incredibly selfish it borders, even transcends, the realm into arrogance. Once again, your beliefs are all that matter. Your word is fact. Alpha is truly the Alpha is his own little world. That's not reality. Don't care about society? Don't participate in society then. Your opinion is null and void because all you care about is yourself and those you deem worthy of your attention. Drugs are major and crucial issue to society and the people who are a part of it. Save the ego for more petty matters.
I've already dealt with the economy issue. So I'll move on:
Who cares if people die from heroin? Who actually gives a shit besides people with some altruistic, poke your nose in, sanctity of life? Yeah it's sad, so? He made a choice, she made a choice. Far be it from me to tell them they were wrong, they did what they had the right to do. You interfering and putting them in rehab is why the billions are lost. So stop doing it. Thirdly, I've never smoked weed. I've never smoked. Smoking is what does the harm, not the substance. You put it in a cake, you avoid lung cancer. Simple. So don't assume.
Save the ego? Coming from Mr. Let's save the world I don't think that's a valid comment. Realise that you are one person, not millions. Most of the millions don't want or need your help with straightening out the choices they openly and willingly made, don't assume they do. And don't condone helping them only to complain that it takes billions to do so.
-AC
Originally posted by Draco69
You're single handedly proving nothing. How do you disprove a theory without FACTS and DATA. Not just your opinion and sarcasm. Which is all you normally post.
I did post a fact, it automatically counters what you claim. If you openly admit that drugs do not automatically cause pain, suffering and death, then fine. Because they do not. Where is your data? You've speculated that the economy will crash, excellent. I've speculated it won't. So are we even?
Originally posted by Draco69
Once again, you trivialize illegal drugs. Pot and mushrooms. That's it. That's all Alpha cares about. Alpha's gonna ignore 90% of the illegal substances out there that would wreck the economy and yes, brings bane to whatever it touches? How is cocaine going to benefit the economy? Heroin? Crystal. Barbiturates?
Wait, you again insist they bring bane to whatever and whoever they touch. Where are these facts and data? Because I've got personal experience that proves those things wrong. Stop harping on about me not caring about the other drugs. I know how bad they can be, yes. But it's not up to me to stop someone who wants to take them, by any means. Because it's their right.
If you tax the hell out of anything, it's sales will benefit the economy. Considering millions are made off drugs, billions, I'd say sales would benefit the economy alot. You are naming those drugs because you don't like them. I don't either, but it doesn't mean I'm able to tell someone not to take them and force them into rehab.
Originally posted by Draco69
We spend billions of tax dollars a year treating the negative consequences of alcohol and tobacco. These drugs alone result in millions of deaths, lost jobs and broken families. Based on the prior information, do we have the slightest idea what would be the negative consequences of legalizing drugs?
So stop spending it, it's such a simple solution. Why do you constantly think it's some revolutionary and splendid idea to force people into rehab for the choices they make that don't affect you? If you do, then you have absolutely no right to complain that billions are lost.
Originally posted by Draco69
Alcohol and cigarettes are pale comparisons to the greater effects of such illegal drugs like cocaine or heroin. What would happen if we legalized them? Teenagers would have much more accessibility to the newly legalized drugs. As the number of addicted teenagers would grow, the number of teenage pregnancies would increase, the number of automobile accidents would increase, the number of contractions of sexually-transmitted diseases would increase, and more children out of wedlock would be born.
Quite possibly the biggest load of presumptuous opinion I have ever read on here. Drugs become legalised and as a result, all of those other things happen? Where in the hell are you getting this? I have no grasp on reality? It sounds to me like you don't tend to dwell on Earth. Accessibility does not mean more addicts. My parents are not crackheads, why? Because they're just not. They wouldn't be if it were legal. If you're not interested in drugs, you won't touch them. If you are, you will. I'd rather a kid get it from a professionally manufactured store than a dealer on the street looking to make a quick profit.
Originally posted by Draco69
That means government spending to offset the negative consequences would increase exponentially. Taxes? It’s going to get higher. Auto insurance? It’s going to get higher. Health insurance? It’s going to get higher. Some advocates for drug legalization argue that a taxation of the formally-illegal drugs would counter these costs and even put more money into the economy. However they fail to recognize that such a tax would most likely become a regressive tax as it is with cigarettes. This means that the consumers, the poor more accurately, would be paying most of the tax. Such a regressive tax could spell an even wider income gap.
That's all down to your assumption though, you have no basis for that and again, you refer to spending money to offset the negative effects. Stop bloody doing it then, it's not your job!
Originally posted by Draco69
The problem is the addictiveness of drugs. Consumption of drugs would rise speedily due to the addictive qualities of drugs.
You deduced this how? Just because they're legal it doesn't mean they're gonna take more, or than non-users would become users. On the former point, if they do, it's their choice. None of your business.
Originally posted by Draco69
The demand for the drugs would continue to rise as consumers become more and more addicted.
Facts? Data? Assumption to reinforce point? The above is one of those.
Originally posted by Draco69
As the demand rises speedily the supply would rapidly decrease. A market where the supply cannot meet the demand is not only price raising but also an inefficient one. Thus the effects of the negatives mentioned above would increase exponentially. It would be a never ending cycle. Production of drugs would require land and resources.
We don't have land and resources? Cigarettes don't run out, alcohol doesn't. Those things are made, alot of illegal drugs are natural. They'd be being manufactured. Stop putting billions into forced rehab and the cost won't seem as bad.
Originally posted by Draco69
As the demand for drugs increases with its consumer’s addiction than so must the supply. While some may say that this would produce many jobs and produce more economically beneficial wages for workers, they fail to recognize the extent of the productions flaws. For example, many illicit drugs are grown in Colombia. If the demand increases so must the production of the goods. Production requires land and resources. Thus drugs corporations in Colombia would have to use an exponential amount of land and resources to make their drugs. How far will they go? Into cities? Into the rainforest? Into other countries even? How many essential natural resources would be used to create these illicit drugs? Is the costs of depleted natural resources, a deprived environment and the use of lands that could be used for medical crops or food for those who need it a good trade-off for the profits of a mind-altering drugs that only seeks to cause devastation and death to whatever it touches? I think not.
Again with the death/touching thing. It's false. You had to delve into theoretical eventualities and what will happen in your opinion, with the legalisation of drugs. Not what necessarily will. You seem to be of the mind set that legalisation of drugs equals death to rainforests, earth, economy and just about everything else. Which is bs, to say the least. And no that's not an insult.
You say we fail to recognise these things, but you fail to acknowledge that you are assuming. You cannot prove me wrong, you cannot prove yourself right. You cannot expect me to take you seriously when all you do is bash your theories of assumption and hope everyone agrees.
-AC
Originally posted by Draco69
Of course. How could I forget. Alpha Centauri is the world. How silly of me. You don't look elsewhere. You focus on pot and mushrooms. That's it. Nothing else. Why? Because you like them. Thus they should be legalized. F*** everyone else because Alpha said so
Now lets hear how disrespectful I am 😉. Jeez man, people need to quit pissing in your raisin bran.
Thanks for calling me the world, assuming things and putting me on such a high pedestal. I appreciate it but it's not needed.
You obviously mistook examples for primary focus. Big mistake. I've explained to you that I don't focus on them, I just used them as an example. So don't continually try to make me out to be the bad guy when you have about as much factual proof as I. Maybe less.
Originally posted by Draco69
My big picture isn't perfect. Granted. However it's alot more indepth than your "pot and magic mushrooms are not harmful. Thus all drugs should be legalized" arguement. My perception on drugs isn't accurate because you say so? Not likely. I admit that illegal drugs are harmful and detrimental to society thus validating their illegal status. Illegal certainly doesn't mean wrong. But it does in this case in my opinion.
Is that my arguement? Really? Coz I swear I've never ever, in my near year long time on this forum, said that. But please, lets delve into this "fact" phenomenon you adore so much and see some proof to back up the quote: "pot and magic mushrooms are not harmful. Thus all drugs should be legalised" that supposedly came from me (Save yourself the trouble, I didn't say it.)
I admit that illegal drugs are harmful also, what are you getting at? Because you don't understand my point of view, you alter it?
Stop being silly.
-AC
I don't give two pieces of rat shit about drugs, if people want to do them I could not care less. Not my business, as long as they don't cause harm to anyone other then themselves, who gives a shit.
That being said, never tried any drugs (including weed) myself. Don't plan to either. I personally don't feel the need to, but as I said, if others want to, more power to them, don't really give a shit.
Originally posted by misha
i havn't tried drugs ... but i plan to ... once, just to see what it's like 🙂