Marka Ragnos vs. Darth Revan & Bastila

Well if it was hand-to-hand, Malak would have lost badly, but still, he managed to damage Revan so badly that his mind was destroyed and if Bastila had not saved him he would have died, so yes I count that as a voctory for Malak, VERY cheap yes, but still a victory.

And no I don't think that Lando won, like I said above, if Malak (or Lando) actually had to face them in real combat they would have lost, but the fact is that they won. Malak nearly killed Revan and Lando broke Han and Leia out of Bespin.

So Lando did win from the Emperor and Vader and a lot of stormtroopers..

Now I know that what you say is right, but I just can't and won't count that as a victory of Malak over Revan or that Revan was somehow defeated. IMO he was just kicked out of position for a little while, not defeated and especially not by Malak. If anything the guy that pressed the button to open fire defeated Revan.

Just like Lando killed the Emperor, Vader and countless of Stormtroopers

lol

Hm. When we consider victories here we must consider them in their natural state... Are they ambushes? Unfair advantages? Etc. Otherwise, Bush singlehandedly pwns anyone who is unlikely enough to be caught under an American bomb, since we're not making distinctions. (Note to readers, avoid political pun and move on)

But Revan's mind was supposively damaged by the attack... And yet he regained all of his memories, most within a year or two. Quite impressive.

We should look at how and why and by who...

Revan his ship was defeated by Malak his ship when he was weak, nothing wrong with that, it just wasn't a personal victory for Malak. It was more a victory for his fleet or whatever... Malak never won

Revan never won against Mandalorians then...Nor against the Republic...

Revan personally? No he didn't. He as a general however did. Malak as a commander won from Revan his forces but thats it. It wasn't a personal victory it can be granted to him but he never really defeated Revan.

Just like Revan didn't really defeat the Mandelorians, although he did defeat Mandalore which could be seen as the same thing. He was a general, and unless he destroyed all their fleets themselves he did not destroy the Mandelorians nor the republic, he was just responsible for the destruction of the Mandelorians and the Republic.

But he did not single handedly defeat all of them, nobody can say he did. Just like Malak never single handed defeated Revan, which was the entire topic here. He as a commander beat Revan but he himself did not beat him.

I hope thats clear, because I think i'm ranting now

ya thats what I was trying to say but it never came out right, thanks

and actually, the point of this thread is who would win, Ragnos vs Revan & Bastila

Ragnos and Revan versus Bastila. Yeah. Bastila wins.

Ragnos would own the two of them...

really?

Yeah, i'm sure he would defeat Revan, Bastila is a none factor in this battle

Revan>>>>>>>>Jaden Korr>Marka Ragnos

Exploding suns wouldn't matter, because if Ragnos did that, he would die as well.

Originally posted by Fishy
Yeah, i'm sure he would defeat Revan, Bastila is a none factor in this battle

Okay so that just delays Revan his dead by one strike...

Originally posted by Lord Slaughter
Revan>>>>>>>>Jaden Korr>Marka Ragnos

Exploding suns wouldn't matter, because if Ragnos did that, he would die as well.

Marka alive>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marka ghost!!!!!!!!!! 5000 year old ghost!!!!!

Amd Marka didnt make suns explode, his apprentice did, u know the one who never dared to challenge him, because he was so powerfull? Ignorance...
Marka would probably beat them with his hand broken...

Originally posted by Naga Sadow
Marka alive>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marka ghost!!!!!!!!!! 5000 year old ghost!!!!!

Amd Marka didnt make suns explode, his apprentice did, u know the one who never dared to challenge him, because he was so powerfull? Ignorance...
Marka would probably beat them with his hand broken...

Just like you said, his apprentice did. Everything about these two revolves around Naga exploding stars. How would that help in a fight? Why didn't Naga ever challenge Marka? Probably the same reason Vader never killed the Emperor. He wanted that power but the Emperor had a lot of supporters and Vader couldn't destroy them all. Those loyal to Marka would've ganged up on Naga's sorry ass and slaughtered him.

I give Marka a lot of respect, he's undoubtedly powerful. But (imo) we don't have enough info about him to think he's better than everyone else. Same thing with Tulak.

Now it's time to wait for the inevitable replies of Fishy and Darth_Janus 🙄 😆

Ass. You knew I couldn't resist the temptation... lol

It's not the act of blowing up stars; it's the enormous potential needed. Naga Sadow was very influential, as was Ludo Kressh. Of the two, I believe Sadow was the better, and would have had no problem solidifying his rise to power in any case. Look how easily he led the Sith against the Republic!

So influence wasn't keeping Sadow from gutting Ragnos, because everyone hated him. He was a half breed and Sith, true Sith like Ludo and Naga, hated half breeds. And it wasn't out of respect or loyalty that Sadow allowed Ragnos to live. ONce you eliminate the possibilities, it becomes obvious that Sadow COULDN'T defeat Ragnos and knew it.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Ass. You knew I couldn't resist the temptation... lol

It's not the act of blowing up stars; it's the enormous potential needed. Naga Sadow was very influential, as was Ludo Kressh. Of the two, I believe Sadow was the better, and would have had no problem solidifying his rise to power in any case. Look how easily he led the Sith against the Republic!

So influence wasn't keeping Sadow from gutting Ragnos, because everyone hated him. He was a half breed and Sith, true Sith like Ludo and Naga, hated half breeds. And it wasn't out of respect or loyalty that Sadow allowed Ragnos to live. ONce you eliminate the possibilities, it becomes obvious that Sadow COULDN'T defeat Ragnos and knew it.

You, resist one of my posts? The Force is with you young Janus, but you are not a Jedi yet.

Anyway, good point but I still think there's a good chance his star detonation ability is more like Bastila's battle meditation. More like a gift then a power. Besides, blowing up stars and dueling are two totally different things. ESB Yoda could lift an X-Wing with the Force one handed but probably couldn't duel anymore (since he died a year later).

As for him going up against the Republic, we saw how well that worked, piss poorly. And if he's so powerful, how come he went into hiding like a coward instead of at least trying to destroy the Republic.

My opinion is Lord Revan is superior to Naga in nearly every way and we don't know enough about Marka or Tulak for that matter to really compare the two equally. One or two things about them is more like a one-sided argument to me, not enough info and there hasn't been anything based on Marka or Tulak.

Marka didn't fight the republic because he was scared of it, not because he saw the thread but because he had heard of it. Of the rumours, he did not want to risk it. But others did and in order to make sure that they did not attack the Republic he let himself be attacked.. So he did fight a lot, from a lot of Sith that hated his guts.

And yeah this might be a stupid argument but its fun anyways. Marka is seen as the most powerful Sith but we hardly know anything about him. Revan is one of the most powerful Sith, but we still don't know everything about him. We haven't seen his power, we don't know what he can or can not do.