am i the only one who thinks the best fight scenes are in SW3?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's not a stupid argument, it's completely valid and applicable to the discussion at hand.

And just because Annie was more powerful doesnt mean he should have won. Obi Wan was older and more experienced, and he was fighting for the survival of the Jedi order. He showed up on Mustafar knowing that there was only one way to save the order, and tha was to kill Annie, and hope that Yoda killed Palpy.

By knowing this, he was able to defend himself against Annie.

YES, defend himself. Did you notice that Obi Wan is fighting a retreating battle throughout most of the duel? up until the end? It was all he could do to deflect Annie's blows and counterattack with his own. Why was he able to deflect Annie's blows, BECAUSE HE KNEW ANNIE AND KNEW WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN ANNIE ATTACKED. He trained Annie and knew Annie's strengths and weaknesses, he knew most likely where and when Annie would attack.

Knowledge is INDEED power.

The fight:
Anakin wrapped out Dooku in a very short time and he was much better than Obi-Wan.
Obi-Wan can of course defend him self - but it would just be a matter of a relatively short time then he would be wrapped out.

But Fair - you have your opinion and I got mine.

Originally posted by Antaeus
It is impossible knowing ALL the moves of another person. And as I said. And even if one did (which is impossible) it may not help - every fighter, tennis player (or other in competition sports would know that).

The fight:
Anakin wrapped out Dooku in a very short time and he was much better than Obi-Wan.
Obi-Wan can of course defend him self - but it would just be a matter of a relatively short time then he would be wrapped out.

But Fair - you have your opinion and I got mine.

Annie was just as winded as Obi Wan was at the end, because he was expending more energy pressing the attack.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
yes, impossible to know ALL their moves, but if you have a generalized idea of their fighting style, it certainly helps.

On that we can agree.
Not that it change my opinion of what should have happen in that fight and that Lucas made a big mistake.

Originally posted by Antaeus
On that we can agree.
Not that it change my opinion of what should have happen in that fight and that Lucas made a big mistake.

I know Obi Wan didnt plan this, but it still played out that way. In fact, Obi wan had to fight that way, because Annie was younger, faster, and more powerful.

Thinl back to Qui Gon vs. Maul. Maul fought a retreating battle, seperated master from padawan, then went on the offensive. did you see how tired Qui Gon looked at the end? Maul did this KNOWING the master would tire. Qui gon, IMO, was a better swordsman than Maul, but he had no gas left.

I see Obi Wan fighting with this same tactic, even though he didnt plan it.

OB1 was about 37 in ROTS, hardly an old man, like QGJ was.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
look at it this way. I think we can all see Obi wan fighting a retreating battle, more or less defensive most of the time, yes? who is exoending more energy? Annie, pressing the attack, or Obi wan, simply retreating and deflecting?

I know Obi Wan didnt plan this, but it still played out that way. In fact, Obi wan had to fight that way, because Annie was younger, faster, and more powerful.

Thinl back to Qui Gon vs. Maul. Maul fought a retreating battle, seperated master from padawan, then went on the offensive. did you see how tired Qui Gon looked at the end? Maul did this KNOWING the master would tire. Qui gon, IMO, was a better swordsman than Maul, but he had no gas left.

I see Obi Wan fighting with this same tactic, even though he didnt plan it.

I do understand your argument, but I do not agree. I still think that Lucas made a HUUUUGE mistake. In my opinion Obi-Wan should have been killed in a very short time - Anakin was WAY better. Obi-Wan should have absolutely no chance defending, attacking or what ever he did.

Originally posted by Antaeus
I do understand your argument, but I do not agree. I still think that Lucas made a [B]HUUUUGE mistake. In my opinion Obi-Wan should have been killed in a very short time - Anakin was WAY better. Obi-Wan should have absolutely no chance defending, attacking or what ever he did. [/B]

One could argue that Dooku owned Obi Wan because he was more experienced.

Then again, Annie owned Dooku, but he was younger.

Some fighters, whether it is sowrdsplay or hand to hand, just match up well with their opponent.

It is a never ending circle of if's, and's, but's and maybe's.....

If you spend 10+ years training someone how to fight yourself then yes it is possible to know enough about someone's fighting style to play it to your advantage.

Now, Anakin would have surely won against Obi-Wan if they kept on fighting; he has more stamina, strength, and speed as well as general skill. However, Obi-Wan knows Anakin's personality inside out and as such could use it against him. Obi-Wan was basically leading Anakin into a trap the entire time. he knew there would be a point were he would "have the high ground", and that Anakin wouldn't back done, because he's overconfident in his abilities. He'd do something stupid and it woudl cost him the fight, and it did.

That is the only reason why Anakin lost the fight, because Obi-Wan played him like a fiddle.

We each have our opinions - mine do not change even though I understand your arguments - you seems to think that it was okay that Obi-Wan did win - I do not (Anakin was way to powerful when they were fighting - the fight should have been before Anakin became extremely powerful).

History alone should tell you that being the most powerful does not = victory.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
If you spend 10+ years training someone how to fight yourself then yes it is possible to know enough about someone's fighting style to play it to your advantage.

Now, Anakin would have surely won against Obi-Wan if they kept on fighting; he has more stamina, strength, and speed as well as general skill. However, Obi-Wan knows Anakin's personality inside out and as such could use it against him. Obi-Wan was basically leading Anakin into a trap the entire time. he knew there would be a point were he would "have the high ground", and that Anakin wouldn't back done, because he's overconfident in his abilities. He'd do something stupid and it woudl cost him the fight, and it did.

That is the only reason why Anakin lost the fight, because Obi-Wan played him like a fiddle.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
History alone should tell you that being the most powerful does not = victory.

Define powerful.

No U.

Originally posted by General G
Define powerful.

Bicker bicker

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
No U.

You said it, you define it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
depends. are we talking military might, or individual might?

Thats what I am trying to figure out...

And?

well that one took a nose dive.

Rather.

Well, there's also the matter of matching fighting styles. Like in soccer, sometimes great teams have big trouble defeating a particular weaker team everytime they meet. The great teams have more might, powerm quality whatever, but somehow they can still have trouble with particular opposing tactics.

For Star Wars that can be seen as the masters/sith use forms, where the litluns just swing about, it can throw off a master.