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Why Mace Windu? Why didnt Sidious 'toy' with the other Jedi Masters? Why did Sidious want to toy with the best Swordsman on the council besides Yoda? Remember, Sidious try running from Yoda and since Mace is almost as powerful as Yoda, why did Sidious choose to so call 'play' around with Mace?

We all know why Sidious tried running. He didnt want to take the chance of dying at the hands of Yoda so with that in mind, why would he take a chance to toy around the 2 strongest Jedi on the council? It doesnt make sense ...

Because Mace is still a great swordsman. The greatest in the Order. But, however, this doesn't mean that Sidious can still toy with him. Plus, I think Sidious would have had a difficult time toying with FOUR Masters, even if they were pitiful swordsmen.

Sidious ran from Yoda because there was no need to toy with him. Yoda was his equal, Sidious did get lucky in that fight.

With Mace, he was trying to turn Anakin to the Dark-Side through that fight.

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
I'll say again: from the movie... Sidious says to Anakin through the Force when Anakin is in the Council room before the fight: "If the Jedi destroy me any chance of saving her will be lost."

this is enough for me to suggest Sidious knew he was coming and was faking it...

Sidious was not talking through the force to Anakin. Anakin was remembering what he said earlier.

He said "Jedi" not Mace Windu. It is quite obvious that the Jedi would have tried to destroy him.

I thought it was cool how Yoda dispatched the Clonetroopers on Kashyyyk who tried to kill him.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Because Mace is still a great swordsman. The greatest in the Order. But, however, this doesn't mean that Sidious can still toy with him. Plus, I think Sidious would have had a difficult time toying with FOUR Masters, even if they were pitiful swordsmen.

Sidious ran from Yoda because there was no need to toy with him. Yoda was his equal, Sidious did get lucky in that fight.

With Mace, he was trying to turn Anakin to the Dark-Side through that fight.

He tried to turn Anakin as soon as he knew Anakin was there. Which was after the lightsabre fight. Like I said in another thread, I have no doubt that when Sidious knew he was beaten by mace that he tried to get to Anakin.

Sidious was pretending to be beaten by Mace. Sidious knew that Anakin would come so he made it look like Mace was gonna kill him. Sidious knew that Anakin seeing a Jedi master suposedly assassanating his mentor would turn him to the darkside.

Originally posted by ApolloX
Sidious was pretending to be beaten by Mace. Sidious knew that Anakin would come so he made it look like Mace was gonna kill him. Sidious knew that Anakin seeing a Jedi master suposedly assassanating his mentor would turn him to the darkside.

I want quotes and lines from the novel and movie to support that

If you didn't notice, he's been keeping tabs on Anakin and trying to turn him since he was found, Kenpo... 😖

I havent memorized the movie nor read the novel but thats what I remember.

Dont get me wrong ...

I respect all of your opinions, I really do but remember this. There isnt enough evidence to support either side of the arguement. Its all on how we personally view it and I personally think that Sidious got his butt kicked! 😄

Originally posted by Captain REX
If you didn't notice, he's been keeping tabs on Anakin and trying to turn him since he was found, Kenpo... 😖

I totally agree man ... He has been keeping tabs and it took more then him cutting Mace Windu hand off to turn him. I personally think he was turned when he didnt strike Sidious down when he found out that he was a sith lord.

I also think that Mace Windu shouldve have shut the hell up and killed him. He had the opportunity to but he didnt do it.

I just think that Mace is the better swordsman than Sidious

Possibly a better swordsman but raw power sidious can put mace away.

Mace was setup to turn anakin, its obvious, he wanted the chosen one on his side to mock of the jedi. hence why he keeps his crippled ass with him for 23 years. The next best thing? the chosen ones children, only they can get as close of potential anakin had when he was whole human.

Sidious got lucky against yoda hence why he 'won', they are pretty evenly matched.

Mace put up a good fight against Sidious, but Sidious was partially toying with him. Yes, the lightning shows that he was having SOME trouble at that close range...BUT you have to realize that the second Anakin made a choice, Sidious went full force and destroyed Mace.

Originally posted by Kenpokarate 2
Sidious was not talking through the force to Anakin. Anakin was remembering what he said earlier.

really? damn.

ah well, I still believe it all went according to Sidious's plan...

I'll have to see it again.

Wow, NoFate has a good way with putting things in simpler light... 😖

Final Analysis:

In order of strength

1) Yoda
2) Mace
3) Emperor Palpatine
4) Anakin Skywalker
5) Obi-Wan Kenobi

This is proven by this movie.

Yoda is the man. Palpatine constantly initiated his force attacks from a distance. He matched Yoda in sword play only because Yoda is a weaker sword fighter. NO ONE can defeat Yoda in Force knowledge. No one. Everyone who knew Yoda knows that the only way to have a chance with him is through a sword fight. It's proven in Attack of the Clones with the Dooku duel and now in Sith.

Mace is the strongest sword fighter. He doesn't use a lot of excess movements. To be honest, a true master doesn't need to use a lot of moves. One can be deadly enough. They know they can't play with Mace because one move might be all it takes. Fighting Yoda on the other hand requires a LOT of swordplay moves because of his flurry of attacks in battle. But Yoda is not the best swordfighter. But he is swift.

The rest doesn't need to be explained. Anakin obvious had the sword fight the whole time, but Obi taught him so there was the issue of the pupil succeeding the master, as any good pupil WILL do. I think that Obi would have eventually run out of moves. He got lucky.

Palpatine is very knowledgeable in the Force AND a decent swordfighter. But outclassed. If Yoda and Mace attacked him, he would be dead. Period. Palpatine could not even defeat Mace one on one. Mace could NOT have deflected the force bolts. He isn't centered enough to be so. He is more emotional and physical power. To be honest, Mace would have lost if he DIDN'T have his lightsaber. If it was a one on one force battle, Mace would have lost, period.

Out.

Originally posted by NoFate007
Mace put up a good fight against Sidious, but Sidious was partially toying with him. Yes, the lightning shows that he was having SOME trouble at that close range...BUT you have to realize that the second Anakin made a choice, Sidious went full force and destroyed Mace.

He nailed an armless, saberless mace with the same lightning that mace had ably blocked minutes before when he actually had a saber.
I gotta agree with Kenpo here. Mace vs. Sidious is completely separate from Anakin's arrival. The duel was over before Anakin arrived, and Sidious was the one cowering, saberless, on a ledge.
Did he manipulate Anakin's arrival to his advantage once the opportunity presented itself? Of course he did. He did not, however, risk Mace getting an itchy trigger finger and skewering him before Anakin even arrived as part of some convoluted plot to turn him. It's not in his cowardly nature.
Later on, Sidious attempts to flee from Yoda. Perhaps he's learned a lesson from his underestimation of Mace. 😛

that's a good point it will affect my views

southtownbluz is right on. Great analysis.

It had been stated by Lucas himself.

When it comes to lightsaber skills, Mace is second only to Yoda.

In ep2, Obi tells Anakin that if he practiced more on his saber skills, he rival even Master Yoda. I think some people need to watch the movie again.

Sids and Yoda are exact equals. Lightsaber skills along with force knowledge.

Mace is a notch below them.