Are You A Good Christian?

What Do ya think??? Are you a good Christian?
The Garden of Eden, God's perfect world, was vegetarian (Gen. 1:29-30). Immediately, God calls this ideal and non-exploitative relationship "good" (Gen. 1:31). There follow many years of fallen humanity, when people held slaves, waged war, ate animals and committed various other violent acts. But the prophets tell us that the peaceable kingdom will be nonviolent and vegetarian; even the lion will lie down with the lamb (e.g., Isaiah 11). Jesus is the Prince of Peace, who ushers in this new age of nonviolence. When Christians pray, "Your will be done, on Earth as it is in heaven," the one prayer given to us by Jesus, this obligates us to change our lives, to make choices that are as merciful and loving as possible. There will be no factory farms and slaughterhouses in heaven.

God created every animal with the capacity for pain and suffering. But on today's factory farms, animals are dehorned, debeaked, and castrated without anesthesia. To maximize profits, they are crowded together in the least space possible, and are genetically bred, so that most suffer lameness, crippling leg deformities, or bone breaks, because their legs can't keep up with their scientifically enhanced bodies. Finally, they are trucked without food or water, through all weather extremes, to a frightening and hellish death.

How can we ourselves find peace
When we are the living graves of murdered animals?

George Bernard Shaw

The time will come when men such as I
will look upon the murder of animals as they
Now look upon the murder of human beings.

Leonardo DaVinci

Einstein was a genius
Einstein was a vegetarian
Mere coincidence?
I think not

if we were ment to be vegetarians we would be rabbits not humans

Then why in the garden of eden did god only give them a diet of plants?
No meat until after the flood. And in the new heaven and earth there is no meat to eat mentioned because there is no death...so no killing animals for food...

And some like to play "rabbit"... inlove and make lots of baby rabbits.

Then why in the garden of eden did god only give them a diet of plants?
No meat until after the flood. And in the new heaven and earth there is no meat to eat mentioned because there is no death...so no killing animals for food.

Because the Garden of Eden was in the Bible, which a lot of people consider to carry about the same amount of weight as Grimm's Fairy Tales. I'm sorry, I honestly am not trying to stir anything/one up or cause any hurt feelings or anything, but it's just my opinion. I consider myself to be more Christian than anything else, and even I don't believe in the Bible, mainly because it's equivalent to a long, treacherous game of "telephone". There's no actual proof behind it. But if you want to go by the Bible, I believe (not sure, so please don't attack) that it was written that animals don't even go to heaven, that there's no afterlife for them. So if that's the case, of course there's no meat in heaven unless all its inhabitants are cannibals.

And are we going by true vegetarianism (ie: it's wrong to consume ANY animal) or cop-out vegetarianism (ie: don't eat any animal except for chicken or fish)? Because if you'll remember correctly, Jesus fed (was it 500?) people bread and fish. If God truly intended for it to be a vegetarian world, then Jesus would have been contradicting his Father which I would think would be a huge no-no on his part.

Yes...he multiplied the fish, but it didn't say He ate it himself...And my point is that if you believe in the "Bible" and the Bible alone, should you take it literally?

No, he didn't eat it, but he gave it to other people to eat which would still be against his father's word.

I suppose if you believe in the Bible and the Bible alone, then yes, you would take it literally. At that point what else would there be to take literally?

Originally posted by periera
I suppose if you believe in the Bible and the Bible alone, then yes, you would take it literally. At that point what else would there be to take literally?

Well, I think we'd have to become Jewish... 😄

And After the flood God permitted everyone to eat meat. So Jesus wouldn't be doing anything wrong, but he would know what the perfect diet would be.

lol good point 🙂

Then why in the garden of eden did god only give them a diet of plants?

Originally posted by debbiejo
What Do ya think??? Are you a good Christian?
The Garden of Eden, God's perfect world, was vegetarian (Gen. 1:29-30). Immediately, God calls this ideal and non-exploitative relationship "good" (Gen. 1:31). There follow many years of fallen humanity, when people held slaves, waged war, ate animals and committed various other violent acts. But the prophets tell us that the peaceable kingdom will be nonviolent and vegetarian; even the lion will lie down with the lamb (e.g., Isaiah 11). Jesus is the Prince of Peace, who ushers in this new age of nonviolence. When Christians pray, "Your will be done, on Earth as it is in heaven," the one prayer given to us by Jesus, this obligates us to change our lives, to make choices that are as merciful and loving as possible. There will be no factory farms and slaughterhouses in heaven.

God created every animal with the capacity for pain and suffering. But on today's factory farms, animals are dehorned, debeaked, and castrated without anesthesia. To maximize profits, they are crowded together in the least space possible, and are genetically bred, so that most suffer lameness, crippling leg deformities, or bone breaks, because their legs can't keep up with their scientifically enhanced bodies. Finally, they are trucked without food or water, through all weather extremes, to a frightening and hellish death.

Jesus is called the Prince of Peace because he will bring peace at the end when Satan is defeated. You need to read the whole of Revelation to understand this. The Bible says that until then, the Word will be like a sword and that there will be division in families because of Jesus and that son will turn against father and so on. This merely proofs what is already happening where families are divided because some believe and some don't.

Fortunately the quality of one Christianity does not rely whether we eat meat or animals, etc but it relies completely on our acceptance of Jesus and of our spiritual growth along the guidelines put down in the Bible.

what if satan wins?

I am not christian. I am Nogistic, which means I think there could be a God, but not exactly sure there is.

But I definetly believe in the after-life.

I am not christian. I am Nogistic, which means I think there could be a God, but not exactly sure there is.

Originally posted by finti
what if satan wins?

The Bible already tells us that satan loses. He has already lost when Jesus died on the cross. His power over man is to keep man in bondage of sin. Jesus changed that.That is why he is so desperately trying to fool as many people as he can with all the different beliefs out there. The more people he can get to reject Jesus and God for that matter the more people he can take with him into hell.

If there is this "Satan" and this "Hell" he is going to torment us in, then why wasn't taught in the church until 150 A.D?

The Bible already tells us that satan loses.

Originally posted by debbiejo
If there is this "Satan" and this "Hell" he is going to torment us in, then why wasn't taught in the church until 150 A.D?

The teaching of satan already started with Jesus and then the apostles. Whether the church taught about it or not is not the issue as the church is not the alpha and omega. But the Bible teaches us all that we need to know about this.

Originally posted by finti
. Cause according to your belief, god made man and if satan are able to get just one of gods creation to side with him means your god aint perfect at all. god loose

Sorry, but you have it wrong. You assume once again that you know what our beliefs are. We believe what is written in the Bible.

You assume once again that you know what our beliefs are. We believe what is written in the Bible.

Originally posted by sonnet
The teaching of satan already started with Jesus and then the apostles. Whether the church taught about it or not is not the issue as the church is not the alpha and omega. But the Bible teaches us all that we need to know about this.

What if "Satan" really means "Tempter", and not a real person?

A tempter of doubt, fear, greed, hate...etc...all that is not love.