we can see vaders face in ANH!!!

1 flaw. after han returns and vader spins away and hes looking around, look at his eyes, you can see through them and see a man with no facial scars or white head (ROTJ) its normal!

Well surprisngly enough the actor behind the mask was infact not scarred and maimed 😄 No doubt the scarring was thought up in the last 5 seconds before shooting by George anyhow

but still

ahhh crap WHO CARES!

Originally posted by The Ones
1 flaw. after han returns and vader spins away and hes looking around, look at his eyes, you can see through them and see a man with no facial scars or white head (ROTJ) its normal!

back then i thought Darth Vader was a robot.

so did GL probably

The man you saw was David Prowse, the actor who portrayed Darth Vader in the suit for all three of the OT movies. 😉

Vader's makeup and effects were only somewhat realized in the dome-scene in ESB, and even then, Lucas hadn't fully developed what he would look like under the mask.

Plus, the movie was made quite cheaply, you have to remember, so the helmet's eyes were probably made of some flimsy, see-through material.

Plus, the suit was originally just supposed to protect Vader as he boarded the Rebel Blockade Runner.

BTW> Vader was never supposed to be a robot.

Originally posted by DCLXVI

BTW> Vader was never supposed to be a robot.

really?

I thought that GL kinda made the sh!t up as he went along.
I can point out numerous plot points to support this

Yep. Vader was supposed to be the guy who killed Luke's daddy.

Vader's suit was just a space suit really, designed purely because the first scene with Vader in it would be a boarding ship-to-ship scene where the boarding party would need space suts of some sort.

It was only by ESB did they decide to make him into a robot dude who NEEDED the suit at all times, and actually turned him into Lukes father.

Originally posted by bILLYgOAT
really?

I thought that GL kinda made the sh!t up as he went along.
I can point out numerous plot points to support this

He sort of did.

Superfly's comment is good. 😉

I havnt noticed that, Ill check it out

You are all wrong. The minor points (such as Vaders suit) might have been made as he went along, but GL had the main plot of the entire saga (Ot and PT) thought out before he made the movies.

GL deffinately planned Vader to be Luke's father. Watch Owen and Beru's scene in IV when Beru says "He has too much of his father in him." .. and then Owen says "That's what I'm afraid of."

Also, Vader wasn't supposed to be a robot... in IV, Obi-Wan says "He's more machine now than MAN."

We can see Vader's face in ANH!!!

I remember being excited about that in 1982, I was 13 years old, and ANH finally came out on HBO.

I watched it last night and noticed the same thing. How come his eyes sometimes look red i thought they were black 👿

From Saberstylemasta:
You are all wrong. The minor points (such as Vaders suit) might have been made as he went along, but GL had the main plot of the entire saga (Ot and PT) thought out before he made the movies.

This is true...we knew before rotj came out that darth vader had fallen into a burning mess, and that hegot totally screwed up...

Originally posted by Ben-Kenobi
ahhh crap WHO CARES!

😄 😄

Originally posted by Saberstylemasta
You are all wrong. The minor points (such as Vaders suit) might have been made as he went along, but GL had the main plot of the entire saga (Ot and PT) thought out before he made the movies.

No, you are wrong. Find one of the many sites with the original script on them, and read it.
GL is a good bullsh!tter, because his movies would have sucked the way he originally envisioned them....

Originally posted by palpy_666
GL deffinately planned Vader to be Luke's father. Watch Owen and Beru's scene in IV when Beru says "He has too much of his father in him." .. and then Owen says "That's what I'm afraid of."

Also, Vader wasn't supposed to be a robot... in IV, Obi-Wan says "He's more machine now than MAN."

When Owen said that, it was to back up Obi-Wan's statement of following Ben on a "damn fool-idealistic crusade like your father did". 😉
And Ben said that in RotJ, the last film....

Originally posted by Master Fisto
From Saberstylemasta:
You are all wrong. The minor points (such as Vaders suit) might have been made as he went along, but GL had the main plot of the entire saga (Ot and PT) thought out before he made the movies.

This is true...we knew before rotj came out that darth vader had fallen into a burning mess, and that hegot totally screwed up...

No. GL made that comment after RotJ, but he "always had it in his head". Originally, the final battle in RotJ was supposed to take place on a lava-world. 😉