Team M vs Team DC

And once again, Spectre's power does vary. The thread states that you have to take him at his highest potential. Him fighting Parallax is definitely not his highest potential. No one has ever seen the full concentrated might of the Phoenix Force either. We're still using both.

And I'm still in "dunno" mode whether Trion Juggernaut is more powerful than Prime or Superman 1 Million. He has been collecting power for 15,000 years. And he has the last GL ring. And (supposedly) some Sword of Heaven thing.

Originally posted by newjak86
This is good just remember that this is when they are all powered so even the little guy makes a difference. Don't just give me this person beats this person tell me how the battle plays out start to finish. This isn't which team has the more powerful people it's which one wins. Ex: In the begining of the fight Spectre is beating boyh phoenix and galactus but he qiuckly discovers his teammates are all gone. Now it is a seven against one fight can spectre hold off everyone. No he looses and the DC team is now stuck in limbo. A story like that you can be as simple or complex as you want.
A few ground rules I should have put out first though.
1) No teleportation only way out is defeat
2) Even if someone dies and like phoenix can ressurect she is still not allowed to return to the fight because she has been defeated. This also goes if someone is knocked out.
3) Be creative give plot twists that you wouldn't expect for instance juggernaught sneaks up behind spectre and knocks him out with a powerful blow stuff like that. And don't argue if you feel something is inpossible just let it be fun.

Originally posted by newjak86
This is good just remember that this is when they are all powered so even the little guy makes a difference. Don't just give me this person beats this person tell me how the battle plays out start to finish. This isn't which team has the more powerful people it's which one wins. Ex: In the begining of the fight Spectre is beating boyh phoenix and galactus but he qiuckly discovers his teammates are all gone. Now it is a seven against one fight can spectre hold off everyone. No he looses and the DC team is now stuck in limbo. A story like that you can be as simple or complex as you want.
A few ground rules I should have put out first though.
1) No teleportation only way out is defeat
2) Even if someone dies and like phoenix can ressurect she is still not allowed to return to the fight because she has been defeated. This also goes if someone is knocked out.
3) Be creative give plot twists that you wouldn't expect for instance juggernaught sneaks up behind spectre and knocks him out with a powerful blow stuff like that. And don't argue if you feel something is inpossible just let it be fun.

Spectre full power = Presence in power since Sprectre is powered by God. This is a forum so. Full power = all of God’s power

Spectre can blink all out of existence

But comic wise I haven't seen Spectre at LT's level , or Pho

Me thats who this is just a good fun thing to see because I'm interested as to how you people play this fight out.

Originally posted by Dizzle
And once again, Spectre's power does vary. The thread states that you have to take him at his highest potential. Him fighting Parallax is definitely not his highest potential. No one has ever seen the full concentrated might of the Phoenix Force either. We're still using both.

And I'm still in "dunno" mode whether Trion Juggernaut is more powerful than Prime or Superman 1 Million. He has been collecting power for 15,000 years. And he has the last GL ring. And (supposedly) some Sword of Heaven thing.

Dude I understand how his powers works but you people need to stop taking everthing so literaly. All I asked was for people to be creative and have fun writing an imaginative battle taking place between these teams.

He was talkin to me, though I get it too... Spectre's power is controlled directly by the Presence, so it varies constantly, meaning one minute he's manhandling Lucifer and the next he's getting kicked in the balls by some guy on the street. (maybe not that extreme, but...)

I'd like to hear a scenario with Supes Prime/1 Million with Trion Juggernaut, as I don't know about Trion other than that he can tap into Cyttorak's magic.

Originally posted by newjak86
Me thats who this is just a good fun thing to see because I'm interested as to how you people play this fight out.

"Newjak 86? What happeende to the other 85 Newjak's?"

When you explain to them why they have to fight. . . If you even introduce yourself. lol

Originally posted by kgkg
Do you even know who spectre is?

Spectre’s power varies with God's will.

Without it he is nothing it's a weakness that separates him from LT.

Hulk without gamma is nothing, without power cosmic SS is nothing

I didn’t say without God Spectre is nothing,

His power is similar to Gladiator.

Full power (well what we have seen) -near Parallax at full power level
At other times he doesn’t even have power over criminals

SS, Thor, Hulk are not Restricted but orders don’t use What if.

Spectre power can vary from powerful to weak.

Spectre couldn't stop Parralax so Pho wouldn’t have a problem

Yes i know who Spectre is. You said without it(Power from Presence). When is he ever without his power? He might not be at full powr all the time, but the threat has everyone at full power. Youre the one who said without power from Persence hes no big deal. Of course he wouldnt be. thats the source of his power. That was an ignorant statement you made. Thats why I made the statements about Hulk and so on.

Spectre would have no problem at all stoping Parallax. Parallax was just a cocky s.o.b.

Yes Spectres power can very from powerful to weak, but what I was saying is that when bonded with mortal souls such as Corrigan and Kordan, he's not as fully powered as the angel Raphael.

"During the Crisis, Spectre traveled back to the dawn of time and used his vast power to save all of creation."

Thats a pretty big feat to me. Comic wise, what has Phoenix done that was all so powerful?

Also LT isnt in this battle, so no need to mention.

Well I tell them that the other 85 newjaks were all absorbed by me and that is how I have become so powerful LOL

But I am still not haering any stories guys anf gals go by the comic in terms of power but give this battle something unique.

how about we base this on what we've seen them do instead of what they could -supposedly- do?

That's not what I want I want you guys simply to make a story as to how this plays out whether you want to make as simple or complicated as you want. All I really asked is be creative and if you look ont he bottom the the first page you will see me explain this better.

MARVEL

Originally posted by jrodslam
"During the Crisis, Spectre traveled back to the dawn of time and used his vast power to save all of creation."

Thats a pretty big feat to me. Comic wise, what has Phoenix done that was all so powerful?

Also LT isnt in this battle, so no need to mention.

Youre joking me right? Its been suggested by Chris Claremont and Grant Morrison that the Phoenix Force is an incarnation of TOAA(Marvels God) It obviously cant enter our plane of existence so it works through avatars who are born with genetic 'phoenix potential'. There are many, many phoenix avatars across existence they are doctors of the multiverse. They exist in the White Hot Room which is outside of time and space and it contains the entire multiverse within. Each universe is represented as a sphere of energy. From here they can witness all events in the multiverse and possible outcomes. Thats how 'the Voice' (suggested to be TOAA) decides where and when the avatars are going to be reborn into their respective universes down below.

The M'kraan crystal was momentarily blinking out the entire multiverse so all the universes and different realities in existence. Jean with her own energies contained this effect and re-energised the energy matrix that was supposed to contain the neutron galaxy responsible for the trouble. Jean basically held together existence in its entirety and stitched it back together.

Phoenix is also the being responsible for linking all the universes together. It did this by projecting a doorway throughout the whole multiverse.

Recently Jean reincarnated herself into an alternate future timeline, disinfected that universe by killing sublime and all lifeforms which were not meant to exist, she went on to telekinetically reform and then rewind this universe on a whim so as to prevent that future from ever occurring. That she did from the comfort of The White Hot Room lol. She literally held a universe in her hand, remade it and got rid of a terrible future. Jean didnt even have to do that. It wasnt ordered by 'The Voice'
she did it just like that because of her love for Scott. In the pic below you can see this. Another avatar even remarks that he wouldnt have bothered, as if it was no big thing. Guys seriously you are majorly underestimating phoenix.

You keep saying that these guys are fighting in their strongest forms, but surely that should be their strongest forms shown in the comics. Otherwise this debate is going to venture into meaningless speculation.

If you guys say that Spectre is going to have all of Gods power as his strongest form(Which he shouldnt have anyway if he is merely an aspect representing Gods Wrath) then surely the Marvel side can say Ok Phoenix is an aspect of BLAH BLAH BLAH.

See my point?

This should be strongest forms actually shown in comics.

and the Spectre Force must obviously also be an incarnation of the Presense as it is God's Wrath.

this is getting boring well as we know Spectre did save the multiverse in the Crisis of the Infinite Earths. So I think that is pretty powerful.

1. Phoenix vs Spectre

Jean,as White Phoenix of the Crown,And Spectre.They are in a neutral ground,freed from the influence of their bosses,and near peak level.They realize they are powerful enough to leave by themselves,and decide to have a beer at Mario's Bar,the pandimensional-omniversal hangout for every hip multiversal being,where they begin to exchange confidences and rant about their bosses,expecially The True One Above All,Plot Convenience:
S: "I'm supposed to be the Wrath of God,how come I cannot stop some street punks?" "Why I could not stop The Great Evil Beast,Parallax,Lucifer?" "why with all the work I do it is always Superman that gets the spotlight?"
P: "You tell me? One moment I eat a star,then I commit suicide with a kree pistol.One moment I soak up the electromagnetic field of the sun,the very next one I am killed by an EM pulse from Magneto.One moment I'm chased by a sh'iar starship,the other I effortlessly contain a black hole explosion"
And all those death/rebirths! I always have to ask what timeline is it! No wonder a girl gets confuses and blows up a solar system or two.But what really gets to my nerves is the disinfection work! I mean...intelligent bugs? sentient bacteria? a broccoli planet?
Oh Jean...the fire in your eyes..and everywhere else ouch!...
Naughty boy...you know I have always had a thing for pale,slim,troubled and humourless guys...(look at Scott Summers) why dont we leave and grow our own little Multiverse together?

2. Galactus vs Parallax

Galactus is fully fed,but he cannot resist that yummy green energy that transpires from that Parallax guy,so proceeds to eat him.Unfortunately this causes him a big indigestion,like when he tried to eat the Impossible Man's planet,and discorporates.Both are out.

3. Thanos vs Darkseid

The two fight exchanging insults (you are just a copy! -At least I'm not trashed by Superman every month).The OE doesnt work,possibly because it functions only on beings of the Dc Multiverse,or because no incarnation of Death in the Omniverse can stand Thanos anymore.
It goes on for a looong time.Meanwhile...

4. King Thor vs Superman Prime

The Ring is ineffective,because all GL energy has been soaked up by Galactus.King Thor uses Rune Magic to counter 5-dimensional magic.Thor with Odinpower against Superman with the Sword in one final blast.They kill each other for good.

5.Trion Juggernaut vs Doomsday
Juggy wins.Doomsday should reincarnate a lot of times to reach his level.But rules say "out at the first death" so he cannot return.

6 Iron Man vs Martian Manhunter

IM has inbuilt psi-defenses and anti-phasing force-fields.He will win with some trick (sonic cannon,thermic rays,whatever).

7 Captain Atom vs Hulk
I dont know much about Captain Atom at full power,but I heard he's a beast.I give him the win.

Second Round

Captain Atom vs Juggernaut
Juggernaut is totally unstoppable,so Atom overloads and,since when he overloads he quantum jumps away,he is forced to leave the field.

Third Round
Thanos doesnt want Juggy's help,so Juggy helps Thanos and Darkseid see things head to head (literally...Boing!)
Thanos and Darkseid are out cold.

Marvel wins!

oops! I forgot a round in which Captain Atom fries Iron Man!