Ok, I know a "little" more about warping space now.
Are we applying all these physics to that Marvel/DCUs now?
Because, i'm pretty sure when they created the Elder it was just with the idea of an ancient being who was faster than everything else.
Even so, the Elders are still more than a match for that JLA lineup.
Read JLA 1 to the 6
They are at the moment the same universe and timeline. Not alternate like Guardians of the Galaxy is in Marvel. Superman prime is the most powerful version of Kal we have seen. Its not an argument, your wrong about the time line read JLA 1 to the 6. 😄
Originally posted by Wynndar
yes but they r two different characters. Do u really want to get into this argument when we talk about MArvel characters? all the different dimensions and contengencies? I dont talk about the FF in 15,000 years when they r all omnipotent cosmic beings...I dont even talk about the Thing when he was mutated again. Whenever I bring up Thing beating Hulk people say: "it doesnt count because he's all spikey".
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Keep the Faith 😆
We did there
Originally posted by 8bitChris
Ok, I know a "little" more about warping space now.Are we applying all these physics to that Marvel/DCUs now?
Because, i'm pretty sure when they created the Elder it was just with the idea of an ancient being who was faster than everything else.
Even so, the Elders are still more than a match for that JLA lineup.
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Keep the faith 😆
Marvel timelines work differently to DC
The premise of the Watchers andthe original "what if" from the seventies is that every action creates a variant universe, so marvel outcomes are not definite. Hypertime works on the idea lots of preexisting paralell universes run concurrently. The DCU is one main continuity, and superman preime is the furthest we have seen into Supes future in it. Bringing up alternative timelines with the Marvel characters is different to using the most powerful version of a standard one universe character. 😄 I actually think against present day supes and co the elders would win but. That is not what the forum rules ask for 😄
Originally posted by Wynndar
yes but they r two different characters. Do u really want to get into this argument when we talk about MArvel characters? all the different dimensions and contengencies? I dont talk about the FF in 15,000 years when they r all omnipotent cosmic beings...I dont even talk about the Thing when he was mutated again. Whenever I bring up Thing beating Hulk people say: "it doesnt count because he's all spikey".
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Keep the faith 🙂
Good point to be honest, I don't think anyone knows
But they must be cool
The point I am making is this elders thread is a pointless mismatch in favour of marvel cosmics, what is the point to it? Its saying Marvel must stomp the JLA. Truth is both companies have made some damn fine characters and stories. As have many independants.
Originally posted by 8bitChris
and to make it interesting, What exactly are Superman Prime's power levels?Are we just supposed to say he's God and everytime Superman is in a thread the thread is over because there is no force in existence that could even dream of touching Superman Prime in any comic Universe?
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Originally posted by whirlysplat
The premise of the Watchers andthe original "what if" from the seventies is that every action creates a variant universe, so marvel outcomes are not definite. Hypertime works on the idea lots of preexisting paralell universes run concurrently. The DCU is one main continuity, and superman preime is the furthest we have seen into Supes future in it. Bringing up alternative timelines with the Marvel characters is different to using the most powerful version of a standard one universe character. 😄 I actually think against present day supes and co the elders would win but. That is not what the forum rules ask for 😄😄
Keep the faith 🙂
Im not refering to what if comics at all...there r charcters in marvel from different dimensions and timestreams...Marvel is not a universe like DC is a single universe. It is a multiverse, containing more characters and structured cosmic hierachy. A piece of the Thing evolved into an omnipotent cosmic being after a few thousand years in a time bubble...that doesnt mean that when i talk about the Thing, im refering to that being. I dont even refer to spikey Thing..who was the real Thing and was his dominant form from 1986-1992. Superman Prime is a possibile outcome for Superman, not definite. If it were then Superman would be immortal because is definitely alive in the future. The future is always only a possibility, not a certainty...lets not get philosophical. Superman is Superman, not Prime...U chastize marvel fans but ur acting like DC fanatic urself
The What if premise from the seventies is what the entire marvel universe is based on
It was something made clear in a lot of seventies marvel, the idea that decisions created new universes.
hope that helps
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Originally posted by Wynndar
Im not refering to what if comics at all...there r charcters in marvel from different dimensions and timestreams...Marvel is not a universe like DC is a single universe. It is a multiverse, containing more characters and structured cosmic hierachy. A piece of the Thing evolved into an omnipotent cosmic being after a few thousand years in a time bubble...that doesnt mean that when i talk about the Thing, im refering to that being. I dont even refer to spikey Thing..who was the real Thing and was his dominant form from 1986-1992. Superman Prime is a possibile outcome for Superman, not definite. If it were then Superman would be immortal because is definitely alive in the future. The future is always only a possibility, not a certainty...lets not get philosophical. Superman is Superman, not Prime...U chastize marvel fans but ur acting like DC fanatic urself
No at the moment he is a def outcome in the present DCU. He obviously is not in reality if thats ur argument. But this is not reality and we use comic continuity. No I have as many if not more Marvel in my collection. Which dates back to the first Comic I bought a Marvel issue of Iron man with Jack of Hearts and Iron man on the moon in about 1974-5.
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Originally posted by whirlysplat
Remind me did Thanos beat the Champ hand to hand?
Does runner actually move at superspeed or warp space?mmmmmmmmm.
interesting, has Supes ever wrestledthe likes of Asmodel to a standstill?
mmmmmmmmm.
mmmmmmmmmarvel fans, tut, tut 🙄
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Why bring up Thanos?
Thanos also defeated all the elders.
Champ with power gem will easily shit on most of them.
Superman Prime?? 🙄
Originally posted by kgkg
Why bring up Thanos?Thanos also defeated all the elders.
Champ with power gem will easily shit on most of them.
Superman Prime?? 🙄
Thanos would crush the 853rd century JLA, including Superman Prime. (Infinity Reality Gem, anyone?) Superman Prime is just Superman with maxed out kryptonian abilities and a GL ring. He doesn't have a sword.
Runner controls the fabric of space. Champ with the gem posesses infinite power. Not hard to find out who wins.
The Runner was supposed to be the fastest, ever.
That's what he was made for.
Champ was supposed to be the best fighter, ever.
That's what he was made for.
If Marvel sticks to these points, then yes it's a mismatch, but marvel doesn't, therefore it's not a mismatch.
JLA has a chance, but they shouldn't.
Thanos should NOT have been able to beat Champ. The End.
Originally posted by seaapple
I thought that the Elders would win, then I saw that the JLA includes Aquaman.If it is old-school Aquaman with the orange shirt and hunter green pants then JLA takes it. If not, the Elders have it.
(p.s. Unless the JLA gets:
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🤨 elders win period. Aquaman wouldn't last the long they will fry his ass like catfish with tater sauces. The runner runs at warp speed for god sakes ans is second to the champion in fighting and has a high energy projection. Aquaman what a joke. 😆