If you've predetermined that Anakin can only be beaten by Luke and Obi-Wan, and that Sidious can only be beaten by Sidious, and that the movie characters can only be beaten by whom they were in the movies, why even post in this subforum? Kinda defeats the purpose of discussion to just replay the movies for every fight.
I don't think he meant it like that...
Obi is the only one that can take down Anakin...
He has a point and not movie based, he's wrong but a powerful Anakin can really only be beaten by Obi (when you only look at the movie time line) because Obi is the only one that could get Anakin to make mistakes. Obi knows how Anakin fights...
I don't agree with him, but he has a reasonable point there
Well, no one knew how Sidious fought, and yet both Mace and Yoda were able to hang with him. Mace even beat him. Even from a movie standpoint, you can't argue that only Obi-Wan can defeat him. Why?
- Because it's an assumption based on the movies alone. This is an EU subforum. That means unless it directly and openly contradicts the movies, EU sources, characters, and powers stand as evidence. Point? We have to go with what we do have, not what we assume from a movie alone.
- I haven't seen one person cite Anakin's abilities outside of a movie. Not one. No one has cited something he did in Jedi Trial, or The Storm Approaches, or anything. Just AOTC and ROTS. That's the extent of sources for Anakin fanboys. And the problem with this? It's a blood movie! Movies highlight points and totally skip the others. I mean, if you read the Clone Wars novels (Which I do) you realize how drawn out and bloody the Clone Wars really where. The movie itself barely touches on the war. Barely. If it weren't for EU, the movies would be pretty limited and boring. And that reflects the arguments for Anakin thatI've seen: limited and boring. And repetitive.
"Anakin is related to the Force!"
Means: He can't lose because his dad is the Force. Somehow, that's the law. Apparently Obi-Wan beat him when the Force wasn't looking, as did Luke and Dooku.
"Anakin is the Chosen One/Choosen One!"
Means: He can't lose because he has a destiny that is a prophecy in-movie. Apparently it can be brought out of movie and into a hypothetical versus thread where time and predestination have no purpose.
"Anakin has RAW POWER!"
Means: He can't lose because he has amazing Force potential. Apparently the fact that he hadn't even properly begun to harness it and that he didn't have the smarts or the cool head to properly use such raw power isn't a factor in any fight, ever. But Maul is cocky.
"The Skywalker bloodline is the strongest with the Force EVER"
Means: I don't know a damn thing about what I'm talking about and I think the Skywalkers are the best just because they have a movie about them so they MUST be the best.
"The other person sucks."
Means: I don't have a damn good argument for Anakin being better, so the other person must somehow be worse. Let me pick apart him and make assumptions and then just say Anakin rules, just because I like Anakin. My bias affects my judgment and makes me look like a fool.
There, I have translated all the arguments I have seen thus far. Have fun, fanboys.
lol, Janus.
btw, I'm totally with you. Just because Anakin is the chosen one and has the strongest connection to the force, it doesn't make him god. As for the "Obi-Wan is the only person who could take down Anakin because Anakin was his apprentice" theory, that's utter BULLSHIT. Lightsaberskill wise, I would say that they are exact equals. And Anakin's sheer stupidity was what brought him down in the fight with his former master. Did you Anakin fanboys ever consider including Anakin's foolishness as a factor in this battle? Clearly not. All you people can say is "Oh Anakin is the chosen one and he rocks." Doesn't prove anything. Yoda and Mace can definitely defeat ROTS Anakin. They are both the best swordsmen in the council and Yoda's incredible force powers make him an even more dangerous opponent to handle. I can definitely picture Yoda or Mace saying the stuff Obi-Wan said to Anakin, excluding the "You were like my brother" part or something like that. As for this fight, I'm with Fishy. I dunno squat about Plo Koon but something tells me he is rather underrated, especially in this thread.
He would have lost to anybody with better skills with a blade and that had seen wars for the last 20 years...
Vader wasn't all that good anymore and neither was Anakin. I like you but if you say that the EU loses just because the movies rule then just leave this place. Because this is an EU forum... Movies don't win here, not unless they actually have a reason too
Originally posted by Kun-ni Habeo
u guys are pure dictators!(fishy janus...)
Why because we use logic not just movie wins or Anakin is the Choosen one?
Or R2 beat C3P0 who beat Chewbacca in a game of SW chess who could kill Han in a one on one fight who knew Luke who became NJO Luke who would own Malak his ass so R2 can beat Malak too...
Sorry I like my logic more
Originally posted by Darth_Nefarus
LOLI'm only saying that movie laws are more valueable than EU, and since Anakin is the most powerful until NJO Luke, I think he would win.
Plo Koon is not a ninja like Kenobi
No where in the movies did anybody ever say Anakin was hte most powerful, or that he was the chosen one, or that he could not be defeated, or that he had more midiclorians then anybody else at that time let alone stand ever...
No where...
Qui Gon said he had more then Yoda, but that means nothing we don't know how many Palpatine or Maul had, maybe they both had a million unlikely but you don't know. The movies never make Anakin out to be god, Mace and Yoda doubt the prophecy. Sidious says he will become more powerful then him and Yoda will become not is.
After Maul'd Death, Sidious needed a new apprentice. So he was going to have Dooku, Darth Rage, and Syfo Dias battle to see who would win the apprentice ship. Syfo Dias didn't want to so sidous killed him. Rage was stronger then Dooku butt had a little avalanche accident with my friend ..........Plo Koon. Plo Koon easily Defeated Darth Rage who is stronger then Dooku( Rage uses all his potential and dooku uses almost all, but not enough to beat rage)
Plo Koon was also trained buy the strongest wookie jedi ever.
I Will admit that Anakin is very strong indeed,but.............just because he has 27,700 midichlorians doesn't mean he uses them all.( he only uses the potential of about 10,800.) where as Plo koon uses his full
11,100 due to exp. Had Anakin stayed on the path to the light, in 2 years there would have been no one to stop him.
And by the way..............Plo isn't a bird, he is a Kel Dorian.
He also Deserved a better death then he got. Had he bin on ground he would have taken out quite a few clones.