Originally posted by Draco69
Almost as retarded as 7-year old mutant with powers to rival the Beyonder.
dont be mad...thats just a typical DC move...having a character lift an impossible amount of weight that would not only cause the object to crumble on-top of itself, but would also cause the character to go right through the ground they r standing on. It is explained that Superman can extend his aura to accomplish this feat. Maybe WW has some kind of magical field she emits...idk i dont read into her much. But then there r dozen other characters capable of doing the same thing but its never explained. Or like how flash's powers allow him to move so fast and not ignite the atmosphere with wind resistance. However, Doomsday has no speed force powers and can allegedly move faster than superman...although his fights appear to be observable to normal humans who shouldnt be able to see objects move that fast. 😕
She Hulk's strong because her muscles r strong...no other energies allowing her to do stuff. Its all pure strength. Neither WW or Superman can say that becase all their "strength" is really more like telekenisis. No one knows how strong She Hulk is right now...she is stronger than the Thing by a long shot even when wearing the Jupiter suit to turn her powers down. She's also way stronger than hercules. If u keep up with her comic, she punched Titania so hard that it caused a huge energy explosion in the air. Titania has the power gem and was trained to use it by Champion...theoretically, Titania should be far stronger than SM or WW...but SH is taking her on all by herself and still bringing it. (although Titania clearly outclasses her).
Originally posted by Wynndar
dont be mad...thats just a typical DC move...having a character lift an impossible amount of weight that would not only cause the object to crumble on-top of itself, but would also cause the character to go right through the ground they r standing on. It is explained that Superman can extend his aura to accomplish this feat. Maybe WW has some kind of magical field she emits...idk i dont read into her much. But then there r dozen other characters capable of doing the same thing but its never explained. Or like how flash's powers allow him to move so fast and not ignite the atmosphere with wind resistance. However, Doomsday has no speed force powers and can allegedly move faster than superman...although his fights appear to be observable to normal humans who shouldnt be able to see objects move that fast. 😕
I'm hardly angry. I'm just constantly amused by your blatant Marvel fanboyism and utter distaste for anything DC.
You obviously don't read to much DC so I'll enlighten you:
WW has a magical aura (Superman has a bio-matrix aura) that enables her to lift objects that prevent the object from crumbling or breaking under its own weight.
Flash has a Speed Force aura that prevents harm to himself or the environment. Makes you kinda wonder how Quicksilver or Northstar can reach Mach 3 and not f*** up the environment. 😉
Doomsday was faster than Superman but Superman has grown stronger and faster over the years. Zum the Martian is faster than Superman and he is not connected to the speed force.
Originally posted by Wynndar
She Hulk's strong because her muscles r strong...no other energies allowing her to do stuff. Its all pure strength. Neither WW or Superman can say that becase all their "strength" is really more like telekenisis.
Wonder Woman's strength is purely physical and magical. Your knowledge of DC is once again lacking. Superman's strength however telekinsis. You got that one right. I find it FAR more convincing to have someone with telekinetic based strength than the inconceivable physical strength of She-Hulk.
Originally posted by Wynndar
No one knows how strong She Hulk is right now...she is stronger than the Thing by a long shot even when wearing the Jupiter suit to turn her powers down. She's also way stronger than hercules. If u keep up with her comic, she punched Titania so hard that it caused a huge energy explosion in the air. Titania has the power gem and was trained to use it by Champion...theoretically, Titania should be far stronger than SM or WW...but SH is taking her on all by herself and still bringing it. (although Titania clearly outclasses her).
Thing is what Class 85 to Class 100? So what? Hercules is much weaker than WW.
You didn't read the comic right. The ENTIRE thing was a spoof. Did you read the Avengers Disassembled? She got knocked out with ONE punch by Iron Man.
Draco...Im obviously more of a Marvel fan while you are DC fan. Calling me a fanboy is just laughable though, coming from u. Im no more of a fanboy than urself. We both can be very opinionated but we usually back up our posts with information from actual comics. Its obvious though that u have a DC bias though. U just created a thread about the FF vs the Ray?...u just tried to create a scenerio where DC Earth could beat Marvel Earth by turning their entire population into "supermen".
I think u entirely missed the point of my other post. I aknowledged that Superman and Wonder Woman's powers were explained within the perameters of their respective telekenetic/magical powers. However, I was trying to emphasize the other two dozen DC characters who can do the same thing with no explanation. Or how Doomsday moves faster than Superman (which is far faster than Mach 3) yet it doesnt cause any other symptoms to the environment. Its already been established that the Flash/Superman/Doomsday move exponentially faster than Quicksilver. However, there r plenty of DC guys that can keep up with WW and SM in terms of strength and Speed with no explanation. If thats the kind of material ur into, then cool, whatever, but dont try to use it as a reason for a DC character to out do a Marvel character because if a Marvel character were under those same rules and writers they'd be doing the same damn thing.
About She-Hulk, are you saying that the May issue of "She-Hulk" where she is fighting Titania is a spoof? i was unaware. And why is this proven in disassembled? that was like 5 months ago. I will hit up the comic store today and see if there is a more recent issue of She Hulk out.
Im in no way saying She Hulk would beat WW...I was just saying it appeared that people were ignoring the events in her comic book by saying she has class 75 strength.
Sorry if i offended u by saying WW holding up the Empire State building with one arm while deflecting another attack was retarded. And Im sorry if u think Im a Marvel fanboy with an utter distaste for DC.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Draco...Im obviously more of a Marvel fan while you are DC fan. Calling me a fanboy is just laughable though, coming from u.Im no more of a fanboy than urself. We both can be very opinionated but we usually back up our posts with information from actual comics.
Me a fanboy? Possibly of Wonder Woman. Other than that no. I back my arguements up with stone-cold facts. You rarely do. Usually your arguements consist of thus:
1) DC is stupid and overpowered.
2) The Fantastic Four faced cosmic beings and won.
That's it. No facts. No arguements. Just whine about how much you dislike DC comics. Which is fine. But I just find it amusing and childish.
I consider myself a fan of BOTH companies. I read more Marvel than DC. Unlike you I actually take the time to read both companies so I'm well-versed for arguements. You don't have the luxury. Your knowledge of DC is lacking and inaccurate. I, however, have considerable knowledge of both companies. You don't have this luxury and never will in my opinion.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Its obvious though that u have a DC bias though.
I hardly have a DC bias. I rely on facts and evidence. Something you don't dwell on. You rely on assumptions and bias. Particularly a bias against anything DC and anything for the Fantastic Four.
Originally posted by Wynndar
U just created a thread about the FF vs the Ray?
The Ray was defeated by Aquaman and Batman. The Fantastic Four is capable of beating him. What happened to the "Fantastic Four defeated Terrax and Galactus so he's no match for him" jargon you're so fond of? 😉
Originally posted by Wynndar
...u just tried to create a scenerio where DC Earth could beat Marvel Earth by turning their entire population into "supermen".
If you actually read DC comics, (That'll be the day) you would know this already happened. The World War III/Mageddon event in JLA comics.
Originally posted by Wynndar
I think u entirely missed the point of my other post. I aknowledged that Superman and Wonder Woman's powers were explained within the perameters of their respective telekenetic/magical powers. However, I was trying to emphasize the other two dozen DC characters who can do the same thing with no explanation. Or how Doomsday moves faster than Superman (which is far faster than Mach 3) yet it doesnt cause any other symptoms to the environment. Its already been established that the Flash/Superman/Doomsday move exponentially faster than Quicksilver. However, there r plenty of DC guys that can keep up with WW and SM in terms of strength and Speed with no explanation.
Maybe because its I don't know comic books? I could say the same thing about Quicksilver, Silver Surfer, Quasar, Thor, Wonder Man, and Northstar. These people can all exceed the speed of sound. And they have in battles. Next to teammates. How can can Quicksilver hit something at Mach 3 and not shatter his hand? How can Northstar fly through a titanium Sentinel at Mach 3 and come out unharmed?
The answer to your question is simple. They rarely use such a level of superspeed in populated areas. Doomsday used his superspeed liberally and destroyed entire cities with its afteraffects. A clone of Barry Allen who wasn't connected the Speed Force ran through a city anc caused catastrophic damage.
As I said before, you don't read DC comics. Thus you don't know the true parameters of their powers. Read the Secret Files or the Ultimate Guides to understand them.
Originally posted by Wynndar
If thats the kind of material ur into, then cool, whatever, but dont try to use it as a reason for a DC character to out do a Marvel character because if a Marvel character were under those same rules and writers they'd be doing the same damn thing.
I don't understand the above comment. It's a jumble of words. I never use the "DC characters are better" arguement. That's your forte. You say it all the time regarding DC as "stupid". Look at the Shaggy Man vs. Fantastic Four thread. You insulted the character but didn't post any arguement as to why they would win. That's not logic.
Originally posted by Wynndar
About She-Hulk, are you saying that the May issue of "She-Hulk" where she is fighting Titania is a spoof? i was unaware. And why is this proven in disassembled? that was like 5 months ago. I will hit up the comic store today and see if there is a more recent issue of She Hulk out.
If you read comics you would know that some events in comics happen after or before other events regardless of the release time. The Phoenix Song was printed after the Astonishing X-Men and yet it happened before. The Hydra/Dawn of the Light Wolverine series is printed at the same time as Astonishing X-Men and yet the Hydra storyline happened after.
Scarlet Witch was present in helping She-Hulk and her battle with Titania. So obviously it happened before the Disassembled event.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Im in no way saying She Hulk would beat WW...I was just saying it appeared that people were ignoring the events in her comic book by saying she has class 75 strength.
Those people are ignorant and don't read her comics. That's not your fault.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Sorry if i offended u by saying WW holding up the Empire State building with one arm while deflecting another attack was retarded. And Im sorry if u think Im a Marvel fanboy with an utter distaste for DC.
You didn't offend me. I was trying to show you that that both companies in itself are "retarded" because they both print outrageous material at times.
I believe you should just enlighten yourself to DC. Read a few of their comics so you would be more versed for this forum. You're missing out on alot of things because of it.
Originally posted by Draco69
Me a fanboy? Possibly of Wonder Woman. Other than that no. I back my arguements up with stone-cold facts. You rarely do. Usually your arguements consist of thus:1) DC is stupid and overpowered.
2) The Fantastic Four faced cosmic beings and won.That's it. No facts. No arguements. Just whine about how much you dislike DC comics. Which is fine. But I just find it amusing and childish.
I will admit I shouldnt have made the "retarded" comment. I was tryingt to say that I dont really think ur a fanboy and that I usually have respect for u draco since u usually back up most of ur opinions with facts. Now ur just being blatently disrespectful though...over the internet. I dont whine about anything in my life. And ive never called DC overpowered. U have me confused with other people. I dont think DC is overpowered i think they r equal and its all up to the interpretation of the writers.
However, I dont understand what ur trying to prove by refering to my posts about the FF. The FF have beaten Abraxis, Galactus, the Dreaming Celestial, etc...so it would be out of character for them to be beaten by a one dimensional character like Shaggyman, the Ray, etc. So saying Shaggyman can beat the FF because he beat the JLA isnt a real argument IMO. But im not saying the FF can theoretically beat Shaggyman because they beat cosmic threats on a regular basis...its more like im saying it would be out of character for them to be challenged by that kind of guy in the first place.
Originally posted by Draco69
I consider myself a fan of BOTH companies. I read more Marvel than DC. Unlike you I actually take the time to read both companies so I'm well-versed for arguements. You don't have the luxury. Your knowledge of DC is lacking and inaccurate. I, however, have considerable knowledge of both companies. You don't have this luxury and never will in my opinion.
I wont have the luxury because why? I cant afford them? hehehe I dont get what ur trying to say. I dont spend nearly as much time reading DC as I read Marvel, because I dont find DC as entertaining or stimulating. I have different tastes...should i be chastized for it? Thats like a Miller-light commercial making fun of Bud-light drinkers. However, I do have knowledge of DC and i think ur taking what ignorance I do have and blowing it out of proportion.
Originally posted by Draco69
I hardly have a DC bias. I rely on facts and evidence. Something you don't dwell on. You rely on assumptions and bias. Particularly a bias against anything DC and anything for the Fantastic Four.
I stick up for the FF so much because I enthusiastically read FF more than any other comic and own 4/5ths of their issues. If anyone looks at my posts they will see that I do make opinionated statements but I also back them up references to actual issues just as often as anyone. U can also look at your posts and see a pro-DC pattern which i called bias. I didnt say anything was wrong with it, cuz i do it too. But apparently Im wrong and its just my imagination that ur usually in favor of DC characters over Marvel.
Originally posted by Draco69
The Ray was defeated by Aquaman and Batman. The Fantastic Four is capable of beating him. What happened to the "Fantastic Four defeated Terrax and Galactus so he's no match for him" jargon you're so fond of? 😉
Originally posted by Draco69
If you actually read DC comics, (That'll be the day) you would know this already happened. The World War III/Mageddon event in JLA comics.
HAHA...I am aware...I never said it didnt happen or couldnt happen! I was just pointing out that when the thread was in favor of Marvel winning u intentionally tried to create a scenerio where DC could beat Marvel.
Originally posted by Draco69
I believe you should just enlighten yourself to DC. Read a few of their comics so you would be more versed for this forum. You're missing out on alot of things because of it.
I think i read enough DC for my tastes...im not going to read comics that i find dull, just for the sake of debating on an internet forum. But like i said, I do have enough rudimentary knowledge of DC to get by. I wasnt inaccurate in describing SM's powers as TK-like or WW as magic related. And i never said the events of WWIII never happened. U totally missed my points. I was emphasizing how there r other characters who do the same thing with no explanation and i was pointing out that u were trying to make pro-DC scenerio.
I didnt mean to get u mad or disrespect u...I will try to stop
I'm not saying she-hulk will win, but people are klinda underestimating her here. her 75 ton strength doubled which left her at 150, then she got a hella lot stronger and had to wear a suit that turned down her powers because she couldn't control her strength anymore. with this suit on that depowers her she is still way, way, stronger than the thing and hercules. even with the suit on she lifted the things max weight with one hand, and even with the suit on she is a lot stronger then hercules. also, i read a few places that she gets stronger with anger, but then i also read she gets stronger with fear, can anyone clarify this for me?? also does she have a healing factor, a few people said she did, and a few said she didn't