Mace did have a point though. Palpatine was to dangerous to let live, he could not be trialed and any conversation with a clone trooper could be lethal for the Jedi, maybe they didn't know it yet but they probably thought of it. Mace was right in wanting to kill Palpatine, when you are talking about the survival of the order you can break one stupid rule if it will ensure its survival.
Anakin should just have accepted that his wife would want to die instead of thousand Jedi's.
Yeah they should, following the rules is something Jedi should do but at what cost?
Lets say almost everything you loved is destroyed your country in a full civil war, you have the chance to stop it all, kill the one that killed your loved one's and end the war. Or bring him to the courts that are under his control, and give him a chance of freedom, not just a chance a great chance. Not to mention that the person will always control the army's unless dead.
What would you do? Maybe it was against the rules, but it was the logical thing to do
Originally posted by yerssot
jedi don't have attachments nor love one in that way you said, so they don't have to deal with that.
Being a jedi is about controling your emotions and being strictly rational about things. The only fair thing to do is to give him a trial since he has been defeated
They can love things... Like things, like the city. Yoda has good connections with the wookies that means he likes them, he says he will miss Chewbacca. Meaning he has a relationship with him of some sort, an attachment he's not afraid to lose him apparently but he will miss him. Jedi can form attechments.
And like you said rational, if Sidious goes on trial he will just make himself go free... Its a gamble Mace did not feel like taking and I can't blame him for it. Maybe he shouldn't have done it, but Sidious isn't an idiot i'm sure he could have played out a lot of things to still get the Jedi killed and the Empire created. Mace gambled on the safest thing and in doing so gave Sidious everything he wanted
they can like things and people yes, as long as they don't get attached to it so it influences them (like love)
he clearly gambled wrong: it's simply not the jedi way as anakin said. He could simply go to trial and no matter how tight his grip on justice is, because there is ice cold proof that he's a sith, he can't be set free. You can set up an entire political organ simply to purify the judges before starting his proces
I fully agree with ya yerssot. Mace went away from "the jedi way" and THATS why anakin did what he did. IF that was yoda, it never would have happened. Yoda would have wounded him and arrested him. Palps could have easily faced trial, and the evidence is too strong for even him to manipulate his way out if it. As I have said several times. Anakin didn't side with palps. HE just didn't want him dead, and he reacted. If the intention wasen't to kill, it would have been fine.
Originally posted by yerssot
they can like things and people yes, as long as they don't get attached to it so it influences them (like love)he clearly gambled wrong: it's simply not the jedi way as anakin said. He could simply go to trial and no matter how tight his grip on justice is, because there is ice cold proof that he's a sith, he can't be set free. You can set up an entire political organ simply to purify the judges before starting his proces
I agree that he shouldn't have done it, but I can understand why and from his eyes it probably was the logical choice. And honestly I don't think betraying a code for a reason like this is wrong, unless it fails of course then its just idiotic 😛
I don't believe Mace ever could have killed Sidious. Don't you find it disturbing that Mace could beat Sidious when Yoda could not. Yoda has almost 6000 more midi-chlorians than Mace. Yoda can manipulate lightning himself, Mace had to use his saber to block it. I think Mace is a great figher. His saber skills are exceptional, but the sith lord fell to easily I feel.
Now what I don't understand is why Anakin had to cut Mace's hand off. Why couldn't he just block the saber attack? That would stop him from killing him, and keep Mace alive too. SOunds good to me...its not like Mace would have tried to fight Ani, and even if he did, Anakin would be able to beat Windu. Ahhh the drama...
Where did you get that 6000?
About the Yoda/Mace Sidious thing, well Mace his strongest point is fightning. Sidious his greatest is the force Yoda his strongest is the force too... Of course Yoda and Sidious are going to match each other better then Mace and Sidious will.
Also Palpatine ran away from Mace not from Yoda
In AOTC, Obi, Mace, and Yoda are talking about Anakin and the point comes up from Yoda that a lot of Jedi are becoming too arrogant ( a point I took as a shot at Obi-Wan). Mace showed this arrogance in AOTC. Obi-Wan was sent to find Jango Fett. Jango kills one Jedi, loses his flight pack, and when he confronts Mace, his shots are deflected and then his weapons are destroyed. Mace could have easily taken him in case there was some informatin that could have been gained about the Separatists. I did not understand the purpose of killing him after he was disarmed. So it was in Mace's character in ROTS to take matters into his own hands against Palpatine (who was not near death, just faking....look how quick he pops up after Mace is gone). It was stupid of Mace to rear back with his saber when a quick poke through the brain would have done the job. This may be a Lucas trait. In ROTJ, after Luke spins and force pulls his saber from the emperor's chair (and he could have just used his left hand quicker), he pulls back in that same high attack mode instead of snapping the on button and poking Palpatine in the heart...
FYI, I almost think Mace is a beeyotch. He screamed like a girl when his hand got taken...Dooku lost both hands and was quiet, the female assasion in AOTC lost her hand and basically said "aargh".
and finally...did Mace force jump back into the skies of Coruscant or was he pushed by force lightning. Just before he leaves the window ledge you can here him grunt....if he has the force powers similar to the cartoon version in Clone Wars...he could jump a great distance and, like Anakin, just latch onto the nearest flier passing by in the unending traffic of Coruscant.
Originally posted by Fishy
I agree that he shouldn't have done it, but I can understand why and from his eyes it probably was the logical choice. And honestly I don't think betraying a code for a reason like this is wrong, unless it fails of course then its just idiotic 😛
And as for why Mace did better vs Palps then Yoda did. Easy, Vapaad. Mace's best trait is his fighting style, which is perfectly suited to killing anyone that is using the dark side against him. He uses his Vapaad to channel more strength and he can beat dark side users. However if Mace fought Yoda or another Jedi, his Vapaad wouldn't do anything.
Therefore, Mace does better vs Palps then Yoda did, but if he actually fought Yoda, he would get owned. No vapaad, he's a lot weaker in force powers, and he's WAY slower then Yoda. Do the math. Yoda owns Mace. But if you want to send a Jedi to fight against a dark side user, Windu is the man to send.
I don't thinki lucas put that much though into it guys. He just needed a way scene for mace to die and for anakin to turn bad. For all we know, mace wasn't written in until he decided to shoot episode 1. He proably meet Samuel L Jackson at a party and he asked to be in the movie. Mace is not mentioned once in the OT.