I hate to break it to you canon-ites, but it seems as though Lucas is using so-called 'EU' stuff to explain more and more about the whole story he's attempting to tell. Labrynth of Evil and the Clone Wars cartoon have a lot of important info. I would say these two expanded universe stories are pretty much canon.
I totally understand what Anakin the Hutt is saying. If I hadnt read Labrynth, I would be crying "plot hole" too, as far as completely ignoring the Sifo Dyas thing in the movie. Defend Lucas all you want, thats sloppy...either that or he intended for all us fans to read the book before seeing the movie.
From Labrynth of Evil:
Obi-Wan turned to face Yoda. "master, did Difo-Dyas order the clone army?'
Yoda nodded. "Contacted the Kaminoans, he did."
"Without your knowledge?"
"Without it yes. But exists, a record of his initial contact."
Obi-Wan gave in to some of his frustration. "I should have questioned Lama Su more extensively."
"Questioned, the Kaminoans were. Furnished much they did."
"Did they?" Obi-Wan said in surprise. "When?"
"Reticent they were when first to Kamino i went. Only what already they had told you, I heard. That Sifo-Dyas the order placed; that Tyranus the donor clone furnished. That for the Republic the clones were. Seen by the Kaminoans, neither Sifo-Dyas nor Tyranus was. But later, after attacked Kamino was, more I learned from Taun We and Ko Sai. About the payments."
"From Sifo-Dyas?"
"From Tyrannus."
"Could Tyrannus have been an alias for Sifo-Dyas? Could he have adopted the name to provide deniability for the jedi in case the clone army was discovered?"
"Wished for that I did. But killed Sifo-Dyas was, before on Kamino jango Fett arrived."
"Murdered?"
Yoda compressed his thin lips. "Unsolved the crime remains, but, yes: murdered."
"Someone knew," Obi-Wan said, more to himself. "Dooku?" he asked Yoda.
"A theory I have-nothing more. Murder, Dooku commited. Then, from the jedi archives erased Kamino, he did. Of that tampering, proof master Jocasta Nu found-proof of Dooku's action, though well concealed it was."
Ok, I just got mad enough to stop reading this thread & just jump ahead and post.
#1. Please stop asking this question!
#2. As i've posted myself a few times & others have as well, Labyrinth Of Evil's plot points were all approved by Lucas because it was dealing with the events leading directly into ROTS. Darth_Sidious01's summary is 100% correct, irrefutable and official.
#3. There were plans to have Dooku be posing as Sifo Dyas after AOTC, but Lucas changed his mind.
Thank you for reading. I'm gonna try really hard to not click on any more of these Dooku/Sifo Dyas threads anymore for the rest of my life (and you know there'll be more) because they make me crazy! 🙂
Sorry. I clicked!
Yeah, it's not a plot hole, really, is it? It's just something that you don't know much about, but is explained in enough fact in the films. AOTC says that Sifo Dyas ordered the clones & was killed nearly 10 years ago. That's true. So, you know everything necessary from watching AOTC. Now, if you want extra details, then you can read books if you want, but it's not necessary. If Lucas had decided to use his idea of Sifo Dyas really being Dooku or whatever, then it would be a plot hole if it wasn't explained in the films. But that's not what happened, so there's nothing more anyone NEEDS to know. you may WANT to know more. That's when you seek out some EU and decide whether to believe it or not. I do maintain that Labyrinth Of Evil is the rare (and possibly only) exception to the EU is not canon rule. other books taking place during the times of the films, like Shadows of The Empire, can be accepted as true but are totally not necessary to enjoy the films. It's like Boba Fett. All we NEED to know about him is shown in the movies, but people who WANT to know more seek out the books. Sifo Dyas is virtually the same.
its not actually a 'plot hole' its just an unexplained event....
a plot hole is something that makes no sense, like leia knowing what her mother looks like and what shes like as a person, thats a plot hole.
this sifo-dyas thing is just unexplained...
the labyrinth of evil, while good, and well thought out, is still EU and thus not canon....
i personally think that dooku took the alias sifo-dyas after the real dyas was killed...(sure, maybe dooku killed him, thats cool by me)
this makes the whole ordering of the clone army seem more like its a huge part of palpatines plans to overthrow the republic...
thats what i think anyways..
Originally posted by supercybergeek
true, it's unexplained not a plot hole, but a plot hole and somthing important not explained is still very annoying.
It's not expanded upon, but it's explained enough. Master Sifo Dyas of the Jedi Council ordered the clones and was killed soon after. There ya go. That's all you need to know. That's all the explanation the story requires you to know. You want to know more because you thought there was more to it, but there's really not. But if more background is what you want, you're gonna have to read some books.
Note to self: Dammit, stop clicking this thread!!!
I have to say that while they did mention in AOTC that Sifo-Dyas ordered the clone army and was killed 10 yrs ago, that is enough info that we need to know about him. BUT when they mention who deleted Kamino from the archives, thats the real plot hole. They never answer that in the last film, we never will know who did it.
For the record i shouldnt have to buy a book or go into EU to find out an answer to a movie, it should be explained in the movies. There are six of them and they all have plot holes. So what ever is said or seen in a film for me is what counts and not whats in a book.