Originally posted by Rio891I said Phoenix was a living embodiment of the force bacuse that's the closest you guys would come to understanding what the phoenix force is.
They both live in different universes with different realities. Phoenix is not the embodiment of the force by any means, maybe of the cosmos,but the force is something that resides solely in the Star Wars mythology, so you cannot bring phoenix into it. Plus Phoenix was not a true, permanent member of the X-Men. Night crawler could blink out of those force chokekolds and could cause a lot of havoc.
Phoenix was already brought into this, and they didn't say that they had to be permenant members odf the X-Men.
Phoenix was listed, so phoenix is used, There is nothing the Jedi can do to phoenix.
Jabar, I applaud you for making a thread of such high interest.
Creshosk, I am sorry to have so ignorantly discussed that which I do not understand. I was merely expressing the limited knowledge I have. I hope that you will accept my apologies and that we can move on. However, please try to understand that there are those of us who are not such avid X-Men fans and to take things less seriously in the future. It's something we all do when we're caught up in the moment anyway. Just remember there are those of us that know less than you about X-Men.
Originally posted by Darth L. DipsitYou don't need to worry about it, I'm not angry or anything.
Jabar, I applaud you for making a thread of such high interest.Creshosk, I am sorry to have so ignorantly discussed that which I do not understand. I was merely expressing the limited knowledge I have. I hope that you will accept my apologies and that we can move on. However, please try to understand that there are those of us who are not such avid X-Men fans and to take things less seriously in the future. It's something we all do when we're caught up in the moment anyway. Just remember there are those of us that know less than you about X-Men.
There are also people in the Comics vs forum that don't know enough about star wars to do propermatch ups.
The spiderman fan's on there are nuts, and they really don't listen to a thing that's said.
This one person even said that Spiderman would beat Darth Vader. How ridiculous is that?
Originally posted by Creshosk
I said Phoenix was a living embodiment of the force bacuse that's the closest you guys would come to understanding what the phoenix force is.Phoenix was already brought into this, and they didn't say that they had to be permenant members odf the X-Men.
Phoenix was listed, so phoenix is used, There is nothing the Jedi can do to phoenix.
Phoenix would be a great power, but didn't Xavier one's stop her not defeat her just stop her, or am I thinking of something else now? Could be wrong haven't seen that show in years.
However like you said Phoenix might be the force, but Anakin is too. Meaning basically nothing to me. Now Phoenix is going to be amazing and possibly all powerful but we have no idea how that thing will manage to survive against a force choke or some lighting in its ass. If they are ineffective then well the Jedi are screwed, but because I hate all powerful characters i'm just going to assume that it can be defeated. Its going to be hard and its going to cost a lot of lives but in the end it would die and so would the rest of the X-men.
Primarily because of the force, its between everything and in everything. The force could blow up stars itself, Phoenix is something like that and could be destroyed... Not by the Jedi order of that time, but they could probably still destroy it, the rest would just be choked and cut down fast...
Originally posted by FishyYou're thinking of a phoenix avatar.
Phoenix would be a great power, but didn't Xavier one's stop her not defeat her just stop her, or am I thinking of something else now? Could be wrong haven't seen that show in years.
A phoenix avatar is like a jedi
The phoenix force is like. . well the force.
Originally posted by FishyI haven't seen anakin pull off the things that the phoenix force has.
However like you said Phoenix might be the force, but Anakin is too.
Originally posted by FishyYou'd have to need air inorder to be choked, and. . .
Meaning basically nothing to me. Now Phoenix is going to be amazing and possibly all powerful but we have no idea how that thing will manage to survive against a force choke or some lighting in its ass.
Fire beats lightning because the heat defracts the air around it, a lightning lance is what it's called I think.
But lightning still wouldn't have an effect on a cosmic being. . .
Originally posted by FishyThen you should probably hate the phoenix force.
[B] If they are ineffective then well the Jedi are screwed, but because I hate all powerful characters
Originally posted by FishyThe phoenix force can't be killed. it is. . well aptly named as it is also a resurection force.
i'm just going to assume that it can be defeated. Its going to be hard and its going to cost a lot of lives but in the end it would die and so would the rest of the X-men.
Originally posted by FishyThat's a way the phoenix force has been described as well.
Primarily because of the force, its between everything and in everything.
Originally posted by FishyThe phoenix force blows up galaxies and universes and then brings them back. . .
The force could blow up stars itself, Phoenix is something like that and could be destroyed... Not by the Jedi order of that time, but they could probably still destroy it, the rest would just be choked and cut down fast...
Diatomic oxygen gas cannot be ionized if it is in a fire because, well, there IS none in the fire (only used as a reactant in a combustion reaction, producing carbon dioxide gas, water, and an increase in energy, or heat).
However, there is also the fact that if a being is made of fire, then one could put it in a vacuum and the fire would go out. I'm not sure if the phoenix is made of fire - it just sort of seems like it is from your post. Forgive me if I am mistaken.
Also, there must be a fuel present other than diatomic oxygen gas to make a fire. So, the Phoenix must be made up of an endless supply of some wood or something carbon-based, unless the fire is not really fire. Thus the concept of having an eternally blazing being is flawed. Now I'm questioning the possibility of the existence of the Phoenix, which is not fair. So, in retrospect, I'm sorry if I went too far.
Originally posted by Darth L. DipsitIt give off the appearence of fire.
Diatomic oxygen gas cannot be ionized if it is in a fire because, well, there IS none in the fire (only used as a reactant in a combustion reaction, producing carbon dioxide gas, water, and an increase in energy, or heat).However, there is also the fact that if a being is made of fire, then one could put it in a vacuum and the fire would go out. I'm not sure if the phoenix is made of fire - it just sort of seems like it is from your post. Forgive me if I am mistaken.
Also, there must be a fuel present other than diatomic oxygen gas to make a fire. So, the Phoenix must be made up of an endless supply of some wood or something carbon-based, unless the fire is not really fire. Thus the concept of having an eternally blazing being is flawed. Now I'm questioning the possibility of the existence of the Phoenix, which is not fair. So, in retrospect, I'm sorry if I went too far.
It's avatars tend to give off the appearence of flames when manifesting the phoenix powers.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You're not really familar with the X-men are you?
No I'm not...but since I recognize the powers of the people listed:
Xorn - having a black hole in his head, can toast people within minutes with energy emitting from his face, can control gravity
Magneto - can control all sorts of metal
Phoenix - something like a force avatar
Xavier - telepath, mind-controlling
Wolverine - hell of a fighter, heals fast when injured, andamantium skelleton
Gambit - can load things up with energy and blow things up
White Queen - well I don't remember that one
Storm - can control weather
Nightcrawler - line of sight teleportation / long range to places he knows
Polaris - same as magneto but weaker
So what the people should do ?
Xorn need MINUTES to kill people and he has to face them. He won't have enough time to do so.
The powers of Magneto, Xavier, Polaris and Storm would have exactly NO effect in this battle.
Wolverine simply gets cut into pieces by lightsabers
Nightcrawler gets force pulled or gets cut into pieces because the Jedi can predict where he wants to teleport to and he will teleport right into a lightsaber. I said he could survive this by just teleporting away.
So White Queen, Phoenix and Gambit left. I know that Gambit can exist in a form of pure Energy. I'd say he would survive this because that would make him quite hard to kill with a lightsaber. White Queen ? And a Phoenix Avatar ... you don't have to discuss throwing in allmighty beings.