Originally posted by Wynndar
i dont see how u can compare MArvel cosmics to DC cosmics...I know DC aknowledges other dimensions but they dont seem to have a sense of Multiverse like in Marvel. Some cosmics r so high that they transend the multiverse, so how can they be compared to cosmics that only exist in one universe?
i think he's talking to me . . .
the set ups are very different, obviously. but we can take certain things for granted for the sake of argument - the most powerful in each is likely about them same. then you basically compare others in each universe to the respective 'highest' powers. is it perfect? no. but for the sake of discussion, it works.
as far as MM - you said yourself kg he is not a celestial level - not even galactus, obviously because g has shown to be greater than at least some of the celestials. most put cube beings between g and skyfathers. even if he has POTENTIAL to be way above that, he's not there yet. it's very likely he falls in roughly the same place hierarchically speaking, in marvel as PS does in dc. and the endless are likely far ABOVE MM in terms of where they fall in their respective universe's hierarchy. the endless CANNOT die. and DEATH is one of the endless. cube being or not, MM is not gonna beat the endless. i'm willing to say they cancel each other out and go with what's left. no endless, no gaea, no atum, no MM. but i gotta believe DEATH or DESTRUCTION takes MM down alone, without even NEEDING the other endless.
Originally posted by leonidas
i think he's talking to me . . .the set ups are very different, obviously. but we can take certain things for granted for the sake of argument - the most powerful in each is likely about them same. then you basically compare others in each universe to the respective 'highest' powers. is it perfect? no. but for the sake of discussion, it works.
as far as MM - you said yourself kg he is not a celestial level - not even galactus, obviously because g has shown to be greater than at least some of the celestials. most put cube beings between g and skyfathers. even if he has POTENTIAL to be way above that, he's not there yet. it's very likely he falls in roughly the same place hierarchically speaking, in marvel as PS does in dc. and the endless are likely far ABOVE MM in terms of where they fall in their respective universe's hierarchy. the endless CANNOT die. and DEATH is one of the endless. cube being or not, MM is not gonna beat the endless. i'm willing to say they cancel each other out and go with what's left. no endless, no gaea, no atum, no MM. but i gotta believe DEATH or DESTRUCTION takes MM down alone, without even NEEDING the other endless.
greatest feat?
immortal? so are gods (such as skyfathers)
okay. the endless are difficult at best to describe. with endless it's more a . . . feeling for what they are. you really need to read them to understand what i'm getting at. here's a link that MIGHT help you a little. but you just gotta read them to understand. once you do, you'll sort of see that it's ridiculous in way to imagine MM 'beating' them.
http://www.oddball.net/endless/endless.html
there's also this one:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/9923/sandman.html
as far as feats - there was that time in hell where morpheus (dream) embarrassed lucifer mornigstar. lucifier swore he would somehow destroy dream. he never did by the way. so if you can tell anything about a character by the enemies he has, you can see where i'm going wit the endless . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
okay. the endless are difficult at best to describe. with endless it's more a . . . feeling for what they are. you really need to read them to understand what i'm getting at. here's a link that MIGHT help you a little. but you just gotta read them to understand. once you do, you'll sort of see that it's ridiculous in way to imagine MM 'beating' them.http://www.oddball.net/endless/endless.html
there's also this one:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/9923/sandman.html
as far as feats - there was that time in hell where morpheus (dream) embarrassed lucifer mornigstar. lucifier swore he would somehow destroy dream. he never did by the way. so if you can tell anything about a character by the enemies he has, you can see where i'm going wit the endless . . .
You are sure these are earth inhabitants?
yes, they attend the earth and its people. never really been shown how far into the universe their influence reaches - least not that i've ever seen. and they have appeared in dc continuity. superman has met morpheus, and destiny has appeared several times in continuity. constantine is also involved often with the endless. i'm also pretty sure (perhaps someone could provide a definite answer) that sandman is where lucifer morningstar first appeared.
face it dude, the endless ROCK!!!
Originally posted by leonidas
yes, they attend the earth and its people. never really been shown how far into the universe their influence reaches - least not that i've ever seen. and they have appeared in dc continuity. superman has met morpheus, and destiny has appeared several times in continuity. constantine is also involved often with the endless. i'm also pretty sure (perhaps someone could provide a definite answer) that sandman is where lucifer morningstar first appeared.face it dude, the endless ROCK!!!
Originally posted by Mider
You guys also forget DC earth has Gog, Ion, Lucifer Morningstar, Spectre, come on guys Marvel goes down and it goes down hard.
Spectre is also not earth base
Lucifer M - not earth based he is not even in JLA or anything, only shown in vertigo/sandman and also shown in spectre comics.
DC earth is doomed
Marvel actually has power houses that are inhabited on earth DC doesn't
Endless are not earth based – they might come there, but so has LT
What do you mean they cant match Marvel Earth those arent even 2 percent of all the top level beings that are on earth you also have , Zues DC Version, Aries DC version He was one touch cookie they have all the pantheons in fact they have mystics that make easily have the power to reshape reality Morgan La Fay, Etrigan, and more