Judgement day

Started by sonnet11 pages

Originally posted by mr.smiley
This is interesting.According to the Christian Creed and the Bible we will all physicaly ressurect.However,today most christians claim it is a spirtual rebirth,but yet still claim Jesus had a physical ressureciton.

Now that I think of it I think the Creed says something else.

Yes the Bible says that on that day which you are referring to we will receive a heavenly body and will stand before God. The dead will be resurrected to stand before God as well. Spiritual rebirth is when you accept Jesus and your spirit is reborn. Two different occasions.

But you already have Gods spirit because that is who we are created from and are apart of....Without that we would all be dead...There is no place where god is not...So it stands that he is even in us.

Originally posted by debbiejo
What do you think the "Spoken Word" was made out of that brought everything into existence?

Where does it say that our spirit was taken away...Which is impossible..for we would not exist in the spirit at all. thus, we would all be dead right now.


When God told Adam and Eve what the penalty was for eating the forbidden fruit he spoke of a spiritual death because we all know that they did not die instantly after they sinned.God's spirit left them and their own spirit remained. We are all born with our own spirit and when we accept Jesus our spirit is reborn and we receive God's spirit. It is man's own spirit that is coruptable. The Bible talks about people from whom the spirit of God has gone. So that means that we do not always have the spirit of God if it can leave us and we must have our own spirit because you cannot live without a spirit.

It doesn't say that after they ate they died spiritually as far as I can remember.

Depending on which path or master your following, yes, the spirit of god can be gone, but not THE SPIRIT of life.

We are not all born with our own spirit, where does it say that? It says God breathed life into Adam and he became a living being.

Originally posted by sonnet
Yes the Bible says that on that day which you are referring to we will receive a heavenly body and will stand before God. The dead will be resurrected to stand before God as well. Spiritual rebirth is when you accept Jesus and your spirit is reborn. Two different occasions.

It seems rather disgusting to me.

My god. Religion turns people into psycopaths.

that just dawned on you now?

The church is full of them. Hallelujah

Originally posted by debbiejo
It doesn't say that after they ate they died spiritually as far as I can remember.

Depending on which path or master your following, yes, the spirit of god can be gone, but not THE SPIRIT of life.

We are not all born with our own spirit, where does it say that? It says God breathed life into Adam and he became a living being.

Yes God breathed life into Adam and then he sinned and God sent him away from his presence.
In John 3 Jesus spoke to Nicodemus a Pharisee, and told him that we need to be reborn of water (baptism) and Spirit (the spirit of God) before we can enter the Kingdom of God. He further explains that this is by accepting the son of God as Saviour. So obviously Jesus shows here that we need to receive God's Spirit and it is not something we are born with. To be alive though you must thus have a spirit which needs to be "reborn " as Jesus explained.

Yes God breathed a spirit of life if you want to believe this is not an allegory, Gods spirit now became mans spirit. If god were to take his spirit away from man...man would no longer be alive. The Nicodemus story about water, never says that the water means baptism. Scripture already says that "The Kingdom of God is within you." So don't go looking anywhere else for it. You chose it and live it now...

Church doctrine has changed what was possibly originally meant.

Paul's Mistake

"Paul mistook the Jewish "Messiah" to mean the Hellenistic "Christ". This happened before anything was written down; it happened during Paul's conversations with people as he was working through what had happened. A messiah is a person who is a great leader who leads your people to freedom. The title was taken by Jews from Persian culture. A christ is a god-king who dies as an offering to some divine being as a sacrifice in return for prosperity, especially agricultural prosperity. Both are anointed with oil as a mystical, sexual rite."
Jesus didn't exist (Quoted in 1999, site is now down)

Christianity
The christ theme was inserted into the story of Yeshua by Paul and his subsequent followers. This was the christ theme taken from the Hellenistic Greek traditions and Mithraism had a large influence, through Paul, on the myths that Christianity assimilated.

"Christianity is a "Paulist Doctrine;" far removed from the teachings of Rabbi Yeshua (Jesus). This is where "Judaic Christianity" became "Hellenistic Christianity," and where the two religions finally, completely split."
www.dimensional.com/~randl/tarsus.htm (Quoted in 1999)

Attis

"He was the son of the goddess Nana's earthly incarnation. She was a virgin. "He grew up to become a sacrificial victim and savior, slain to bring salvation to mankind. His body was eaten by his worshippers in the form of bread. He was resurrected to become the most high god, who holds the universe together. Like his priests, he was castrated, then crucified on a pine tree, whence his holy blood poured down to redeem the earth"
Untracable source

Osiris
Osiris started out as an Egyptian God of Vegetation, Resurrection and the endless seasons. (Married to Isis). Osiris evolved to become a dominant God in the Egyptian religion.

Osiris presides over the tribunal of the dead, who must appeal to him with gifts and tokens of goodness gained whilst they were alive, because he can give them new life. The Cult of Osiris and Isis, found in Rome, were directed towards Salvation and making sure that they would please Osiris when they die.

Osiris was tricked and killed (but returned to life), and for a period of time his enemies ruled in his place. (Similar to Revelations20)

Asklepios: 5th century BC
The majority of the miracles performed by Jesus appear to have their root in Asklepios' miracles, healings etc. A blind healed by Asklepios see at first only trees, like the one healed by Jesus. Asklepios heals poor and rich, men and women, slaves and free, like Jesus. He raises the dead, the details being the same as in the Jesus stories.
Herakles: 5th century BC
Like Jesus he was born of a virgin (God Zeus as a Father), like Jesus he walked on the waters, like Jesus he left mother and father to live a life of pains, was viewed as a savior, dies with the words "father, it is done" and rises to heaven, and there are many more parallels.
Dionysios: 8th century BC
Like Jesus he is the son of a god (Zeus) and a mortal woman, like Jesus he was a healer, like Jesus he turned water into wine (the marriage at Kana) and was a mortal and resurrected god.
"My El, why have you forsaken me?"
Spoken by a pagan Messiah, "El" is a pagan God and this is the word used in older Biblical texts.

christ theme
The pagan kings were often assumed to rule by divine right, and the ritual sacrifice of them often involved a judas. The judas would take the place of the true king for the sacrifice, the point of which was to renew the Earth and to bring salvation to mankind. Mythically the sacrificed people were rose again from the dead at

Re: Judgement day

Originally posted by darktim1
Okay on day of judgement how do you think you will be judged ?

According to the Bible, the faithful people of God and those who lived in Christ will receive eternal life. They will live with God in His heveanly abode.

Those who lived in the way, which is against God's will, will be condemned to the second death.

answer the question with your own words

This hole religion thing is just a big mixup. If there was a god than he whould not make it so hard and confusing for everyone to find the true religon on earth. Otherwise he has just made a big mistake. If I was the one and only god than I would have made a far better plan. the cristian's plan that god thought up, is a plan that only someone imperfict could make.

and it also says in the bible that god is a Jealous god. Something jealous could never be perfict

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yes God breathed a spirit of life if you want to believe this is not an allegory, Gods spirit now became mans spirit. If god were to take his spirit away from man...man would no longer be alive. The Nicodemus story about water, never says that the water means baptism.
"Paul mistook the Jewish "Messiah" to mean the Hellenistic "Christ". This happened before anything was written down; it happened during Paul's conversations with people as he was working through what had happened. A messiah is a person who is a great leader who leads your people to freedom. The title was taken by Jews from Persian culture. A christ is a god-king who dies as an offering to some divine being as a sacrifice in return for prosperity, especially agricultural prosperity. Both are anointed with oil as a mystical, sexual rite."
Jesus didn't exist (Quoted in 1999, site is now down)

Christianity
The christ theme was inserted into the story of Yeshua by Paul and his subsequent followers. This was the christ theme taken from the Hellenistic Greek traditions and Mithraism had a large influence, through Paul, on the myths that Christianity assimilated. www.dimensional.com/~randl/tarsus.htm (Quoted in 1999)

My dear, the world and that being non believers cannot understand Christianity or God or Jesus or the spiritual aspects of the true God of the Bible. You keep reading the opinions of people who do not want to believe and frankly they will never write anything supporting Christ Jesus or the Bible. The Holiness and divinity of God will always be questioned but will never be understood unless through the spirit. A man who rapes , murders, mutalates does not have the spirit of a holy God because when you have His spirit you shall show the fruits thereof which is love, compassion, faith, understanding, anger controll and so forth. But you want to believe what is comfortable to you and that will be your choice.

Originally posted by sonnet
when you have His spirit you shall show the fruits thereof which is love, compassion, faith, understanding, anger controll and so forth.

I know a lot of atheists and agnostics who hold those qualities as well. It' s a matter of valuing other human beings.

Own words? Is it required by the question?

All his words show that he is under the impression that he will go to heaven. He can' t answer the question in his own words without displaying vanity, one of the seven deadly sins.

right on the target storm

That's what he's sayin all right.

Originally posted by sonnet
My dear, the world and that being non believers cannot understand Christianity or God or Jesus or the spiritual aspects of the true God of the Bible. You keep reading the opinions of people who do not want to believe and frankly they will never write anything supporting Christ Jesus or the Bible. The Holiness and divinity of God will always be questioned but will never be understood unless through the spirit. A man who rapes , murders, mutalates does not have the spirit of a holy God because when you have His spirit you shall show the fruits thereof which is love, compassion, faith, understanding, anger controll and so forth. But you want to believe what is comfortable to you and that will be your choice.

And you are reading a book that has been stripped, edited, and forged..

And like I said before, I have been a long standing conservative christian that has read the bible and did many bible studies. I've changed my views.

I'm sure you're very nice Sonnet, but please ....Don't call me Dear.
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