"Booster Gold against Doomsday just showed to be a poor idiot without tactics and combat experience.
He blasted Doomsday at full force and Doomsday not even notice it."
Oly- Blasting someone its something IM would do as well, has hardly anything to do with tactics.
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"Taking a punch from Doomsday isn't all that impressive, especially when you're considering the fact that Iron Man repels attacks from Fing Fang Foom, and Hulk. If Iron Man didn't want Doomsday anywhere near him, he wouldn't even be able to approach him"
Oly- How many here would actually think IM wouldnt go physical? He always goes with Hulk even when he already knows what hes capable of, nevermind someone he doesnt know yet. People are selling BG way short.
BG force field has -never- been broken. Neither against Superman, or Doomsday, or any other. How many times has IM armour force fields?
I am a die hard IM fan but I am not talking as a fan here. IM's armor deosn't only have bells and whistles. Every function has a specific purpose. IM has gone against guys like Mr Hyde alone and came out victorious. His cunning and battle tactics are really what Tony relies on to save his ass. I mean just his prometheus armor alone can withstand BG's assaults. The guy is just too cunning when fighting him. You need a being that just has so much power that whatever Tony throws at him would not matter. Tony could take 9/10 of human villains,
"Booster's force field is actually the creation of Brainiac 5. This force field is believed to be the most powerful currently in existence. It can almost withstand the full intensity of Superman's heat vision, although after a few moments the shield would collapse, due to the intense strain. Otherwise, it can deflect attacks of up to (and including) a 20 megaton nuclear detonation at ground zero. It does not protect him against mental assaults without physical components, however (such as mind control, telepathy, etc.)."
Ah, it's been a while since I played with numbers...
One ton of TNT produces about 4.2 gigajoules of energy.
20-megatons produces 84,000 terajoules. This is roughly 10,000 times what the entire world currently uses. The enormity of that figure aside, it seems to me that if you're gonna have a force-field which can withstand this, the force-field has to be at least this strong.
If BG can generate this kinda power, IM's gonna have BIG problems, unless he himself can generate a comparable level of energy, and to do that, it means converting the equivalent of 2 pounds of matter completely into energy. He's gonna do this with batteries and solar collectors? GAB. I had posted in another thread a while back (I think it was, Who can withstand a nuclear blast?) that, for example, in order for Superman to withstand a nuclear blast, he would have to be absorbing sunlight for some 500,000 years to acquire the necessary level of blast-countering energy.
Yes, it's just comics, but whenever I see nuclear levels of energy being tossed around like so much salad (the speed of light is another one, but that's another story), I just gotta point out the realistic considerations of that kinda power.
"BG's forcefield has never been broken? I thought that doomsday overloaded it during DOS."
Oly- That was after everyone blasted at him. BG energy cells just ran out. He doesnt pack infinite energy.
Doomsday didnt overloaded, in fact BG took a clean shot in the face with his force field on, and while he was flying due to the momentum of the punch away, he wasent hurt at all.
Originally posted by olympian
"BG's forcefield has never been broken? I thought that doomsday overloaded it during DOS."Oly- That was after everyone blasted at him. BG energy cells just ran out. He doesnt pack infinite energy.
Doomsday didnt overloaded, in fact BG took a clean shot in the face with his force field on, and while he was flying due to the momentum of the punch away, he wasent hurt at all.
So the power cells couldn't sustain that much energy against a prolonged assault from doomsday?
The running out of energy happened, after:
the beginning of the story where he was already showed to be using his force field to save some regular folk.
blasting Doomsday solo, in the first *round" to protect BlueBettle (before he was punched).
after he was punched by Doomsday.
after Superman found him and they regroup the Jla.
after we dont know how long they all blasted him.
Originally posted by olympianTruth is, he just emptied whatever he had. Most people there did.
The running out of energy happened, after:the beginning of the story where he was already showed to be using his force field to save some regular folk.
blasting Doomsday solo, in the first *round" to protect BlueBettle (before he was punched).
after he was punched by Doomsday.
after Superman found him and they regroup the Jla.
after we dont know how long they all blasted him.
"Truth is, he just emptied whatever he had. Most people there did.
Notice that Guys ring ran out of energy, and Fire nearly fainted."
Oly- Yup. Wich implies and answering to the post above, that they had to be doing it for some time. And no, Doomsday didnt just walk thro. That was after they all stopped and checked if he was down.
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"His initial use of powers in that arc saving folks isn't that much energy-consuming either."
Oly- It isent no. But he had already used some. Futhermore, before he saved BB from being killed, he and Maxima also briefly went against him off panel. That makes two rounds.
Hes not taking the majority here, but BG gets underrated just because he was a standout character in the funny days of the league.
The guy has taken shots from Doomsday, Cosmic Destroyer, Superman as well as Desespero without going down.
Originally posted by manjaro
Booster gold .......this is a guy who took a full punch from doomsday
yeah.... but Doomsday got stronger and stronger throughout the entire Superman fight, BG took a hit from Doomsday when DD was still at a level where Superman didn't even move when he hit him full force in the chest.
Originally posted by ScooblessI like how when he kicked Superman through the house and tree, Superman already knew he was looking at his equal. He was thinking "Unbelievable" and "I don't know if I've ever been hit that hard." instead of recovering or even thinking about it. lol. Truth is, Doomsday's just a beast. He put Superman down the count. That just speaks for itself.
yeah.... but Doomsday got stronger and stronger throughout the entire Superman fight, BG took a hit from Doomsday when DD was still at a level where Superman didn't even move when he hit him full force in the chest.
Originally posted by Mindship
"Booster's force field is actually the creation of Brainiac 5. This force field is believed to be the most powerful currently in existence. It can almost withstand the full intensity of Superman's heat vision, although after a few moments the shield would collapse, due to the intense strain. Otherwise, it can deflect attacks of up to (and including) a 20 megaton nuclear detonation at ground zero. It does not protect him against mental assaults without physical components, however (such as mind control, telepathy, etc.)."Ah, it's been a while since I played with numbers...
One ton of TNT produces about 4.2 gigajoules of energy.
20-megatons produces 84,000 terajoules. This is roughly 10,000 times what the entire world currently uses. The enormity of that figure aside, it seems to me that if you're gonna have a force-field which can withstand this, the force-field has to be at least this strong.If BG can generate this kinda power, IM's gonna have BIG problems, unless he himself can generate a comparable level of energy, and to do that, it means converting the equivalent of 2 pounds of matter completely into energy. He's gonna do this with batteries and solar collectors? GAB. I had posted in another thread a while back (I think it was, Who can withstand a nuclear blast?) that, for example, in order for Superman to withstand a nuclear blast, he would have to be absorbing sunlight for some 500,000 years to acquire the necessary level of blast-countering energy.
Yes, it's just comics, but whenever I see nuclear levels of energy being tossed around like so much salad (the speed of light is another one, but that's another story), I just gotta point out the realistic considerations of that kinda power.
My argument to counter that is that IM can generate immense power as well my friend. His power grids now allows him to suck up any source of energy while in combat and redirect this energy to any system (s) needed i.e life support, offensive weapons, defensive or strategic.
Furthermore IM has never tested the full potential of the armor because even his lab is not equipped with proper instrumentation. Tony's armor now is said to have surpassed even Doom's. Also one thing that people tend to forget is his battle savvy.
Originally posted by LordFear
My argument to counter that is that IM can generate immense power as well my friend. His power grids now allows him to suck up any source of energy while in combat and redirect this energy to any system (s) needed i.e life support, offensive weapons, defensive or strategic.
Furthermore IM has never tested the full potential of the armor because even his lab is not equipped with proper instrumentation. Tony's armor now is said to have surpassed even Doom's. Also one thing that people tend to forget is his battle savvy.
Yes, I've always thought of Iron Man as being Marvel's version of Batman, tactician-wise.
I'm not debating whether or not IM can generate that kinda power. I just feel I should point out what that means, in terms of real numbers. IMO, people toss around ideas like "can withstand a nuclear bomb" or "fly at lightspeed" like it's no big deal. One can be extremely formidable--and far more realistic AND consistent--w/o going to either length. But hey, it's comics and "coolness" trumps realism 100/100 times.