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Sidious "won" against Yoda because he had the better position all the time.

- during lightsaber combat he had the middle of the pod while Yoda had to jump around outside
- when they are throwing things on each other he had the higher ground on his side
- when the "explosion" happens because Yoda throws back all his force lightning he again is in the better position.

When they both would fight on a normal ground, Yoda will kick Sidious ass in lightsaber combat, since he had 10 times Sidious lifetime to practice with that weapon.

Cuz he was hurt from Sidious' pansy move.

+Yoda has the bette mastery of the Force

Sidious won, because he's better! if yoda was better and/or smarter, he would have done whatever sids did to win. The fact is, he didnt. he lost the fight, get over it. He's tossin senate pods at yoda like theyre pebbles. yoda struggles with ONE. yeah, that shows how powerful yoda is.....so he blocked the lightning...big deal. even if they both landed in the same spot, sidious would have continued to own yoda.

It's always tougher to catch something, redirect it, and throw it back than simply throw it.

Ok, well, all that throwing didnt seem to get him the win did it?

im not impressed.

Who says it had to make him win?

no one, obviously, because he lost.

Of course he lost, otherwise the rest of the movies couldn't be made.

But winning does not always make you better. 300 spartans stopped a million persians.. Were they better in fighting those persians one on one, yes... Would they have been able to destroy as much as those persians could? No. Winning means nothing, the fight is what matters.

And everything Sidious threw at Yoda was returned in his face, and Sidious was the one that ran away in the beginning and then in the second part of their fight made sure he got the high ground. Sidious realised damn well he couldn't win from Yoda in a fair fight. Yoda wanted a fair fight otherwise he would have done what Sidious did.

Listen, people, you have to understand something about these "versus" posts. First, the original Star Wars films, although better movies than the prequals, just didn't have the refined level of choreography as the prequeals. So, of course, the prequal characters seem to be better fighters, even though that might not be true of the characters. Second, physically Darth Vader retains Anakin's skills, except that his strength has been enhanced many-fold, even if some of his movement is sacrified. Third, and most important, Anakin had not yet been trained in the Dark Side. Once trained in the Dark Side, which is probably more lethal in terms of its fighting prowess than the light side (witness Palpatine's ability to dispatch three Jedi masters in no time at all), Darth Vader would be a lethal foe to any jedi or Sith lord alike. He does, after all, have midichlorian levels beyond any other Force user (even Yoda, ugh I can't believe I had to reference midichlorians to make my point!). If Anakin the Jedi Knight can defeat Darth Tyranus without any training in the Dark Side, surely Darth Vader, Lord of the Sith, would do away with Darth Maul, Darth Tyranus, and Obi Wan without thinking twice. The force lightening that many assume would do away with his circuitry may well be displaced as easily as a blaster bolt from Han Solo's revolver (as in the dinner scene in ESB). Yoda displaced a dark-side bolt, and I am sure that the Lord of the Sith and the Jedi prophecy could do the same. Vader was only affected by Palpatine's bolt in ROJ because he came into physical contact with the Emperor and took his body upon his person, and thus could not deflect the lightening. The point is that you all forget even Palpatine's comment to Yoda in ROS, that Vader would become even more powerful than Palpatine. There shouldn't be any question but that Darth Vader is the most powerful Sith lord in its long history.

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Originally posted by Darth Sakul
The force lightening that many assume would do away with his circuitry may well be displaced as easily as a blaster bolt from Han Solo's revolver (as in the dinner scene in ESB).

Except for the fact that the Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary states exactly that Darth Vader can neither conjur nor repel Force lightning as it requires living hands to do so. Darth Vader has artificial arms, ergo he cannot stop Force lightning with merely his hands a la ESB.

Yoda displaced a dark-side bolt, and I am sure that the Lord of the Sith and the Jedi prophecy could do the same.

So, because Yoda can, Vader can as well? Considering Yoda is more proficient in the Force than Vader, I'd surmise not. At least taking it from the premise you are (that a post-suit Vader can because Yoda can). Though, I would concede that if Vader hadn't been strewn across the banks of Mustafar, he'd [obviously] be able to do the same with his left arm.

Too bad for our beloved Vader, that he indeed, has artificial hands and thusly is unable to repel Force lightning in that manner. Perhaps, though, he could with his lightsaber as shown by Kenobi in AOTC, but to assume he can do it with his hands is not only an unsupported assumption, it's blatantly overwritten by the fact he is stated not to be able to.

Vader was only affected by Palpatine's bolt in ROJ because he came into physical contact with the Emperor and took his body upon his person, and thus could not deflect the lightening.

This is irrelevant to the fact that without a lightsaber he has no chance of blocking Force lightning.

The point is that you all forget even Palpatine's comment to Yoda in ROS, that Vader would become even more powerful than Palpatine.

Now, let's take that quote:

"Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us!" (Revenge of the Sith movie)

Anyone who's passed third grade English class would know that "will become" is future tense. What happened, however, was that he lost that potential after the duel on Mustafar. If you will recall the scene where Darth Vader is left severely burned and missing about three limbs (aside from his already missing arm). After that specific point in time, Vader lost the potential to become more powerful than Yoda and Sidious, hell - the potential to become the most powerful ever.

So, as you can clearly see, Palpatine's comment is tantamount to jack shit other than his potential, which as stated, was lost.

There shouldn't be any question but that Darth Vader is the most powerful Sith lord in its long history.

This is trumped by the fact quite a few Sith Lords prior to Vader's time would plainly best him, and are more powerful than Vader (such as Exar Kun, Darth Bane, Darth Revan) and Palpatine, even during ROTS, is capable of taking out Vader. Jacen Solo will undoubtedly be able to take Vader, as well.

This is also toppled by the fact that we already know Sidious > Vader, not only by pure logic, feat wars into context, and etc., but by Lucas' own word:

"He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor-- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

-- George Lucas, Rolling Stones, June 2, 2005.

And to make it simple: Lucas' word is law, ergo Vader is definitely not the most powerful, and not the second most powerful either, nor third.

Darth Sakul, you smell like a sock. Can someone check him?

I SHALL REPORT

SOMEBODY

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This is trumped by the fact quite a few Sith Lords prior to Vader's time would plainly best him, and are more powerful than Vader (such as Exar Kun, Darth Bane, Darth Revan) and Palpatine, even during ROTS, is capable of taking out Vader. Jacen Solo will undoubtedly be able to take Vader, as well.

😂 😂 😂 what a load of poppycock!!

if ur so keen on Lucas's opinion think about this:

if u asked gl whos more powerful, Vader or Exar Kun who do you think the Flannelman would say wins???Kun?? Pfft

ask the same question but with bane or revan or jacen "im a loser"solo

ergo (kfc colonel matrix time 😂 😂 😂 ) Vader Pwns (except vs palps vader or obi 1)!!!

Originally posted by Ogami Itto
quote:
This is trumped by the fact quite a few Sith Lords prior to Vader's time would plainly best him, and are more powerful than Vader (such as Exar Kun, Darth Bane, Darth Revan) and Palpatine, even during ROTS, is capable of taking out Vader. Jacen Solo will undoubtedly be able to take Vader, as well.

😂 😂 😂 what a load of poppycock!!

if ur so keen on Lucas's opinion think about this:

if u asked gl whos more powerful, Vader or Exar Kun who do you think the Flannelman would say wins???Kun?? Pfft

ask the same question but with bane or revan or jacen "im a loser"solo

ergo (kfc colonel matrix time 😂 😂 😂 ) Vader Pwns (except vs palps vader or obi 1)!!!

Originally posted by Ogami Itto
what a load of poppycock!!

Please, never address me if you cannot use proper grammar, and if you are incapable of formatting your sentences in a way that can be read.

if ur so keen on Lucas's opinion think about this:

So "keen"? Ahem, but Lucas' word is law, check our canon policies, pal. Whatever he says, goes. Simple as that.

if u asked gl whos more powerful, Vader or Exar Kun who do you think the Flannelman would say wins???Kun?? Pfft

Do you have proof that he would actually say Vader? Let alone the fact that he tends not to get directly involved with the EU, he's stated that the Expanded Universe is like a different "realm" than te movies.

And not that this matters, if Lucas said Vader was more powerful than Exar Kun - it would be so. He hasn't, and you of all people cannot voice his thoughts. And anyways, as stated by Dan Wallace LFL never intends to publish "power charts" such as in terms of versus matches.

ask the same question but with bane or revan or jacen "im a loser"solo

And this is tantamount to jack shit because you can neither voice Lucas' opinion nor imply an answer. Why? It's a logical fallacy in the way that you're using it.

ergo (kfc colonel matrix time ) Vader Pwns (except vs palps vader or obi 1)!!!

Therefore, you are an idiot, and have wasted not only your time, but mine as well as I had to respond to this horribly written, and unsupported assumption ridden "rebuttal" (I put it in quotes considering this is far from a general accepted reply).

hohoho how thick can an american be?? that smilie and words pretty much sums it up 😂 😂
Blow the place up THEN say WTF????OMG!!droool11!

What i meant was if u asked Lucas (whos word is PURE canon) he would say Vader could pwn ALL these EU characters no matter what the authors who created them say

Originally posted by Advent
Please, never address me if you cannot use proper grammar, and if you are incapable of formatting your sentences in a way that can be read.

So "keen"? Ahem, but Lucas' word is [b]law, check our canon policies, pal. Whatever he says, goes. Simple as that.

Do you have proof that he would actually say Vader? Let alone the fact that he tends not to get directly involved with the EU, he's stated that the Expanded Universe is like a different "realm" than te movies.

And not that this matters, if Lucas said Vader was more powerful than Exar Kun - it would be so. He hasn't, and you of all people cannot voice his thoughts. And anyways, as stated by Dan Wallace LFL never intends to publish "power charts" such as in terms of versus matches.

And this is tantamount to jack shit because you can neither voice Lucas' opinion nor imply an answer. Why? It's a logical fallacy in the way that you're using it.

Therefore, you are an idiot, and have wasted not only your time, but mine as well as I had to respond to this horribly written, and unsupported assumption ridden "rebuttal" (I put it in quotes considering this is far from a general accepted reply). [/B]

Ohh sassy u got issues OMG!!!!