Re: Re: Re: What does it take to go to hell?
*["So simple existance renders you eligible for Hell ?..."]
***All of mankind has the SAME set of parents [i.e., Adam & Eve]. They "fell" in the Garden through their "disobedience" [i.e., SIN] by eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil [Genesis 2:17]...and when they did that they DIED spiritually [i.e., they became SINNERS]...and could no longer "walk" with God in the garden again for God cannot and will not tolerate SIN in His sight.
Because they sinned and became sinners...their children were also born "siiners"...for King David said, "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in SIN did my mother conceive me" [Psalm 51:5]. That was one of the CONSEQUENCES of their SIN...their children inherited their "sinful nature" and became SINNERS like them...so He imposed a DEATH SENTENCE upon Adam and his woman [Genesis 3:19].
However, BEFORE He banished them from the garden...He promised them that He would send a REDEEMER [i.e., a SEED of the woman...Genesis 3:15...the Proto Evangelium]...and raised up a "people" through whom the REDEEMER would spring...and the "tribe" [Judah]. THAT "redeemer" came in the person of Jesus Christ of Nazareth...and He WILL and DOES redeem ALL who repent and accept His COMPLETED sacrifice for us at Calvary through His BLOOD [Romans 10:8-11].
BOTTOM-LINE: It is NOT "simple existence" that renders you eligible for Hell...it IS because YOU ARE A BORN SINNER that renders you eligible for Hell...because God does NOT and will NOT tolerate SIN...and THAT is WHY He sent His SON...to destroy "sin in the flesh" so that we might be REDEEMED and "walk with Him" AGAIN!
Marchello
Originally posted by Lazerlike42
God Himself never sends you to Hell, we only send ourselves. It will make more sense if you understand this:Hell is not a place that we go. It is simply a total disconnection from God. We cannot be sent there by Him, we simply choose not to be connected and in "fellowship" with Him.
Why does separation from God involved physical torture? It seems like God is quite bitter about someone rejecting him...
Why can't God just allow you to explore the rest of this Universe...why does it ONLY end up being Heaven or Hell? Why so black n white ?
*["Are you from hell, because you seem to have a good idea of what its like..."]
***The Lord Jesus Christ tells us EXACTLY what it is like in [Luke 16:19-31]. It would be a good idea for you to spend a few minutes and read about it...since you will be spending eternity there unless you REPENT of your sins and ask Him to have mercy on you..."For the WAGES of SIN is DEATH [in Hell] but the GIFT of God is eternal LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord" [Romans 6:23].
Trust on Him NOW for tomorrow may be too late...He will not cast you out.
Marchello
*["JIA can teach you a thing or two about pride."]
***I see nothing in JIA's posts that suggest that he is a prideful person...for he posts the truth [a "truth" that you don't want to hear]. On the contrary, it is you who is the prideful braggart who comes to these boards with your vicious invictives and slanders. Your actions and mouth reveal what you are..."O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the MOUTH speaketh" [Matthew 12:34].
Marchello
*["No. You are an antichrist, sent by satan to try and persude real Christians to become devils."]
***Not so. "Real" Christians CANNOT become devils and CANNOT be PERSUADED to become devils...that is why they are "real" Christians. They are Christ's and NOT ONE is LOST...hear Him: "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name THOSE whom thou hast "given" me, that the scripture might be fulfilled. While I was with THEM in the world, I kept THEM in thy name: THOSE that thou "gavest" me I HAVE KEPT, and NONE OF THEM IS LOST, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled" [John 17:11-12].
BTW...IF you are a "real" Christian...WHEN were you saved?...WHAT is your testimony?...WHAT is your definition of a "real" Christian?...and WHO do you say are the "real" Christians on this thread?
Marchello
Originally posted by Marchello
*["No. You are an antichrist, sent by satan to try and persude real Christians to become devils."]***Not so. "Real" Christians CANNOT become devils and CANNOT be PERSUADED to become devils...that is why they are "real" Christians. They are Christ's and NOT ONE is LOST...hear Him: "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name THOSE whom thou hast "given" me, that the scripture might be fulfilled. While I was with THEM in the world, I kept THEM in thy name: THOSE that thou "gavest" me I HAVE KEPT, and NONE OF THEM IS LOST, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled" [John 17:11-12].
BTW...IF you are a "real" Christian...WHEN were you saved?...WHAT is your testimony?...WHAT is your definition of a "real" Christian?...and WHO do you say are the "real" Christians on this thread?
Marchello
Do you really think you are above sin?
Originally posted by Marchello
*["No. You are an antichrist, sent by satan to try and persude real Christians to become devils."]***Not so. "Real" Christians CANNOT become devils and CANNOT be PERSUADED to become devils...that is why they are "real" Christians. They are Christ's and NOT ONE is LOST...hear Him: "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name THOSE whom thou hast "given" me, that the scripture might be fulfilled. While I was with THEM in the world, I kept THEM in thy name: THOSE that thou "gavest" me I HAVE KEPT, and NONE OF THEM IS LOST, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled" [John 17:11-12].
BTW...IF you are a "real" Christian...WHEN were you saved?...WHAT is your testimony?...WHAT is your definition of a "real" Christian?...and WHO do you say are the "real" Christians on this thread?
Marchello
Originally posted by Storm
It' s always interesting to observe how religious believers want to associate themselves with the good things done by their co-religionists in other eras or cultures, but are so quick to disassociate themselves form co-religionists who do bad things. Responsibility is a two-way street. Your association with the good things done by other members of your group is just as strong as your association with the bad things done by members of your group.
In the end, Christianity is comprised of the actions and beliefs of Christians because that’ s all that really exists. There is no pure form of Christianity sitting out there, against which all current and historical manifestations of Christianity can be judged.
Very well said.
*["...There is no pure form of Christianity sitting out there, against which all current and historical manifestations of Christianity can be judged."]
***You do err...for there IS a "pure form of Christianity" sitting out there, "against which all current and historical manifestations of Christianity can be judged"...it is called the "Word of God" [i.e., the Scriptures...BOTH Old and New]. ALL "forms" of Christianity and their tenets and practices must be judged by what is written in the Scriptures [2 Timothy 3:16]...and if they deviate from what is written therein---that form of "christianity" is in error and not of God.
BOTTOM-LINE: The Scriptures ALONE [SOLA SCRIPTURA] dictate what the True Believer [Christian] is to believe and put into practice in living his life out here on earth. He lives his life as the Scriptures direct because he knows that it is the ULTIMATE authority upon which he can REST...and wait for the RETURN of his Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The Christian has what NO ONE ELSE has...A LIVELY HOPE and a "peace" that surpasses all understanding [Philippians 4:7]. For that we are eternally grateful to God.
Marchello
Originally posted by Marchello
*["...There is no pure form of Christianity sitting out there, against which all current and historical manifestations of Christianity can be judged."]***You do err...for there IS a "pure form of Christianity" sitting out there, "against which all current and historical manifestations of Christianity can be judged"...it is called the "Word of God" [i.e., the Scriptures...BOTH Old and New]. ALL "forms" of Christianity and their tenets and practices must be judged by what is written in the Scriptures [2 Timothy 3:16]...and if they deviate from what is written therein---that form of "christianity" is in error and not of God.
BOTTOM-LINE: The Scriptures ALONE [SOLA SCRIPTURA] dictate what the True Believer [Christian] is to believe and put into practice in living his life out here on earth. He lives his life as the Scriptures direct because he knows that it is the ULTIMATE authority upon which he can REST...and wait for the RETURN of his Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The Christian has what NO ONE ELSE has...A LIVELY HOPE and a "peace" that surpasses all understanding [Philippians 4:7]. For that we are eternally grateful to God.
Marchello
It seems we have a bible worshipper here. "The Scriptures alone dictate what the true believer is to believe..." Not so, God is the ultimate source. If God says something that contradicts what is written, the new thing takes precedence. Not that God will change what he's said, but it's entirely possible that he could correct false interpretations and restore lost doctrines.
Of course there's a whole thread on whether some Christians worship the bible above God. So I'll just leave it at that.
*["...I have red the bible whan I was a cristian..."]
***Alot of people read the Bible...but reading the Bible does NOT make one a Christian. Adolph Hitler was an avid reader of the Bible and based his "Third Reich" on it's supposed tenets...for he thought it would bring in the "Millennium." Elvis Pressley read the Bible...and he was in the forefront of those who promulgated a culture that led a generation of young people into debauchery and drugs...and still does to this very day!
There is NO "past tense" [i.e., "whan I was a cristian"] for those who are really Christians...they are Christians FOREVER and will be with Christ for they are His BRIDE.
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*[...If god were to send someone to hell for rejecting him and never giving you another chance that would be childish and wrong..."]
***Please permit me to answer your question by giving you an example:...If you were to jump out of an airplane without a parachute, you would perish because you transgressed the Law of Gravity. Had you put on a parachute, you would have been saved. You perished because you DIDN'T put on the parachute...BUT the PRIMARY REASON you perished was BECAUSE you BROKE the Law of Gravity!
If you refuse to trust Jesus Christ when you pass through the door of death...you will perish. This isn't because you refuse to trust the Saviour...but because you TRANSGRESS the Law of God. If you "put on the Lord Jesus Christ" [Romans 13:14], you will be saved...but because you refuse to REPENT, you will suffer the full CONSEQUENCES of your SIN. Sin is NOT "failing to believe in Jesus"...SIN is "transgression of the Law" [1 John 3:4].
Marchello
Originally posted by Marchello
***Alot of people read the Bible...but reading the Bible does NOT make one a Christian. Adolph Hitler was an avid reader of the Bible and based his "Third Reich" on it's supposed tenets...for he thought it would bring in the "Millennium." Elvis Pressley read the Bible...and he was in the forefront of those who promulgated a culture that led a generation of young people into debauchery and drugs...and still does to this very day!
Please return to your spider-hole. You have not problem using hte internet...
Originally posted by Marchello
***There is NO "past tense" [i.e., "whan I was a cristian"] for those who are really Christians...they are Christians FOREVER and will be with Christ for they are His BRIDE.
All men are women then? I thought your shurch was against that?
Originally posted by Marchello
Please permit me to answer your question by giving you an example:...If you were to jump out of an airplane without a parachute, you would perish because you transgressed the Law of Gravity. Had you put on a parachute, you would have been saved. You perished because you DIDN'T put on the parachute...BUT the PRIMARY REASON you perished was BECAUSE you BROKE the Law of Gravity!
Actually, falling is a rtesult of gravity, you didn't transgress anyhting. Honestly, the macroeffects of gravity follow a simple theory..its nto that hard to realize this analogy makes no sense.
*["docb77...PseudoIntellectual."]
***Correct.
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*["...'The Scriptures alone dictate what the true believer is to believe...' Not so, God is the ultimate source. If God says something that contradicts what is written, the new thing takes precedence. Not that God will change what he's said, but it's entirely possible that he could correct false interpretations and restore lost doctrines..."]
***You do err NOT knowing the Scriptures NOR believing them. The Scriptures ARE the ULTIMATE source because God INSPIRED them: "All scripture is given by INSPIRATION [i.e., Divine influence] of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION in RIGHTEOUSNESS; that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works" [2 Timothy 3:16]...and since God INSPIRED them they are "God-breathed"...they ARE His WORDS.
Therefore God CANNOT nor DOES NOT say ANYTHING that contradicts what is written...nor does He say anything "new" for He "changes" NOT...to wit: "They shall perish; but you remain; and they all shall wax old as does a garment; And as a vesture shall you fold them up, and they shall be changed: but you are the SAME, and your YEARS SHALL NOT FAIL" [Hebrews 1:11,12]...and again, "Jesus Christ the SAME YESTERDAY, and TODAY, and FOREVER" [Hebrews 13:8]...and since God alone is the SAME forever and changes NOT and Jesus is the SAME forever and changes NOT...JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY [for God ALONE changes NOT].
QUESTION: What "new thing" takes precedence over the scriptures?...please enlighten us.
Marchello