Qui-Gon??

Originally posted by ab2421
From the original script:
222 INT. POLIS MASSA-OBSERVATION DOME-NIGHT

On the isolated asteroid of Polis Massa, YODA meditates.

YODA: Failed to stop the Sith Lord, I have. Still much to learn, there is ...

QUI -GON: (V.O.) Patience. You will have time. I did not. When I became one with the Force I made a great discovery. With my training, you will be able to merge with the Force at will. Your physical self will fade away, but you will still retain your consciousness. You will become more powerful than any Sith.

YODA: Eternal consciousness.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) The ability to defy oblivion can be achieved, but only for oneself. It was accomplished by a Shaman of the Whills. It is a state acquired through compassion, not greed.

YODA: . . . to become one with the Force, and influence still have . . . A power greater than all, it is.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) You will learn to let go of everything. No attachment, no thought of self. No physical self.

YODA: A great Jedi Master, you have become, Qui-Gon Jinn. Your apprentice I gratefully become.

YODA thinks about this for a minute, then BAIL ORGANA enters the room and breaks his meditation.

BAIL ORGANA: Excuse me, Master Yoda. Obi-Wan Kenobi has made contact.
--- That may sort of hint at the whole force ghost... but what isn't answered.. and someone who understands, please explain: How did Qui-Gon figure this out... and why didn't he disappear.. didn't other jedi who died even in the clone wars geonosis battle scene disappear? And then how did Anakin figure this out?

CAN OF WORMS>>>> "NOOOOO!"

all right, so thats what happened when yoda was meditating. Man, this really seems important to the whole storyline, and Force ghose thing. I dont understand why this isn';t in the movie

I think Lucas did plan to film this, either with Qui-Gon's voice or his ghostly form...that is why the shot of Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan lights up when he says Qui-Gon. That shot was probably going to be edited in with either the voice or image of Qui-Gon....as Spekdah said...this is why Obi's face lights up in what is a very tragic third act

Originally posted by ab2421
From the original script:
222 INT. POLIS MASSA-OBSERVATION DOME-NIGHT

On the isolated asteroid of Polis Massa, YODA meditates.

YODA: Failed to stop the Sith Lord, I have. Still much to learn, there is ...

QUI -GON: (V.O.) Patience. You will have time. I did not. When I became one with the Force I made a great discovery. With my training, you will be able to merge with the Force at will. Your physical self will fade away, but you will still retain your consciousness. You will become more powerful than any Sith.

YODA: Eternal consciousness.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) The ability to defy oblivion can be achieved, but only for oneself. It was accomplished by a Shaman of the Whills. It is a state acquired through compassion, not greed.

YODA: . . . to become one with the Force, and influence still have . . . A power greater than all, it is.

QUI-GON: (V.O.) You will learn to let go of everything. No attachment, no thought of self. No physical self.

YODA: A great Jedi Master, you have become, Qui-Gon Jinn. Your apprentice I gratefully become.

YODA thinks about this for a minute, then BAIL ORGANA enters the room and breaks his meditation.

BAIL ORGANA: Excuse me, Master Yoda. Obi-Wan Kenobi has made contact.
--- That may sort of hint at the whole force ghost... but what isn't answered.. and someone who understands, please explain: How did Qui-Gon figure this out... and why didn't he disappear.. didn't other jedi who died even in the clone wars geonosis battle scene disappear? And then how did Anakin figure this out?

CAN OF WORMS>>>> "NOOOOO!"

my post on page one gives a few answers to how Anakin knew

hallza lookie here oui-don died in no.1 and o-b-1 in no.4

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Originally posted by Lazerlike42
my post on page one gives a few answers to how Anakin knew

Gracias

I don't know why he couldn't do a few short voice-overs, like he did for AoTC (assuming they used his voice - but that WAS QGJ's voice at the Tuskin camp in Ep II)

They had to re-use TPM dialogue for Qui Gon's part in AOTC...

Anyone else think that if Qui Gon hadn't died in Episode I he would have become a Sith Lord just like his master Count Dooku. I think he would have.

No flippin' way. He was probably the lightest of light jedi.

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
They had to re-use TPM dialogue for Qui Gon's part in AOTC...

Anyone else think that if Qui Gon hadn't died in Episode I he would have become a Sith Lord just like his master Count Dooku. I think he would have.

no

The fact that he was able to achieve immortality, as it is put, is proof of this. It's impossible to acheive through the dark side, and Qui-Gon was the person most in tune with the force of all, which is why he achieved it. He followed the will of the force in every aspect of his life, and the will of the force is not the dark side.

But the Jedi didn't listen to him. That's why Dooku turned... coz he defied the Council... he didn't believe in thier ways. This is something he passed on to his apprentice Qui Gon. I believe Qui Gon would have left the Jedi Order... and that Dooku would have lured him to join him.

The Jedi didn't listen to him because they all were closer to the dark side than he, if anything.

What you said about Dooku doesn't make sense because you are giving an action of Dooku as the cause of another action of his. He turned AND he defied the council, he didn't turn BECAUSE he defied the council. If anything happened along those lines, it's that he defied the council because he had turned.

What I was trying to say is that Dooku most likely defied the Council when he was a Jedi much like Qui Gon did... this is not fact, I'm merely speculating.

But yeah... I do agree with you. Qui Gon was very much in tune with the Force. The most in tune with it, in fact. So you're right, he probably would not have turned to the Dark Side. I do believe, though, that Qui Gon would have left the Jedi Order as Dooku did...

he may have left it if they kept going where they were going and being stupid

That's a possibility. He could be a neutral Jedi, not a dark villian but not under the influence of the Council.