hulk v wonder woman

Originally posted by Draco69
That was the JLA/Titans arc. I'm referring to another issue.

Initially she's much stronger. After a long period of anger he'll eventually reach her strength level.

And for god's sake. If Hercules held the Earth, and Wonder Woman is stronger than him, the OBVIOUSLY a tectonic plate isn't going to be much for her to handle.

Read her comics. Her Lansinar Technology is carried in a small pouch in her costume. Another name for it is the "Invisible Plane" and the "Wonder Dome" I'll show you the Medousa Head in the next post.

If Spider-Man, Captain America and friggin Wolverine can dodge his blows...

Thor vs. Hulk battles have always been inconsistent. What does Thor do? Throw his hammer again and again like an idiot. WW wouldn't do the same. She would go Bruce Lee on his a$$. Not to mention the Lasso would restrain his movements greatly.

I am not aware of Hercules holding the Earth, or his strength in relation to Wonder Woman's. I have yet to be convinced that Wonder Woman is stronger than the Hulk.

Captain America nor Wolverine have ever dodged Hulk's punches. The only time Spiderman has ever dodged Hulk's blows was when he possessed the power of Captain Universe. He often battles heroes with a high degree of superspeed. He isn't the slow clod that you believe him to be.

Thor uses his fighting ability to great effect against Hulk. He rarely uses Mjolnir. The fact of the matter is that Hulk's incredible durability and insane regenerative abilities compensate for what he lacks in fighting ability and super speed.

How exactly does the head fit in this small pouch?

Originally posted by long pig
What's that?

WW using the Medousa head on a Hekton-Kheires. A Titan of myth. Briarheos himself.

I apologize for not posting this in my previous post, Draco69, but how exactly did Hercules hold up the Earth? Was it in peril of falling?

Herculese did that in the myth, not actuall continuity.
Just like Thor didn't lift the snake that was squeezing the earth.

Same names, different powers.
one is a comic, the other is a religion.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
I am not aware of Hercules holding the Earth, or his strength in relation to Wonder Woman's. I have yet to be convinced that Wonder Woman is stronger than the Hulk.

What more convincing do you need? Think it about. He can trade blows with Class 85 (Thing & Namor) character....but one punch cannot knock themout? Wonder Woman can lift well into the millions of tons. But Hulk has trouble with the Thing and Namor?

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
Captain America nor Wolverine have ever dodged Hulk's punches. The only time Spiderman has ever dodged Hulk's blows was when he possessed the power of Captain Universe. He often battles heroes with a high degree of superspeed. He isn't the slow clod that you believe him to be.

Captain America dodged and even friggin blocked on of his punches numerous times particularly when the Hulk left the Avengers. And several other times when he faced the Avengers in a battle.

Did you read Wolverine's first appearance in the Hulk. Hulk couldn't land a hit. Only when Wolverine was distracted by the Norwegian girl was he able to land a blow. And I won't even mention his period as Death.

Spider-Man faced the Hulk as a plain ol' normal self...and dodged every blow. Hulk only managed to get a glancing blow after hours of fighting and Petey was beginning to tire.

Wonder Woman can exceed the speed of sound by folds. Add her near-Superman-level strength and fighting ability and Hulk loses.

Any blow coming her way would be dodged, deflected or parried.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
Thor uses his fighting ability to great effect against Hulk. He rarely uses Mjolnir. The fact of the matter is that Hulk's incredible durability and insane regenerative abilities compensate for what he lacks in fighting ability and super speed.

No he doesn't. He punches Hulk then he throws his hammer. Rinse and repeat. Sometimes he uses a occassional lightening bolt. But all his fights with Hulk have been a very poor showing of Thor's abilities.

The Hulk durability and regenerative abilites would only compensate for a while. WW would eventually have his number...and proceed to kick the crap out him.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
How exactly does the head fit in this small pouch?

Not the head. The Lansinar technology. Although she now carries a bag with Medousa's Head in it.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
I apologize for not posting this in my previous post, Draco69, but how exactly did Hercules hold up the Earth? Was it in peril of falling?

Did you read the Seven Labours of Hercules? He held it for Atlas.

Originally posted by long pig
Herculese did that in the myth, not actuall continuity.
Just like Thor didn't lift the snake that was squeezing the earth.

Same names, different powers.
one is a comic, the other is a religion.

Not true. Hercules in the Marvel Universe maybe. But certainly not Hercules of DC universe. Everyone of his feats actually happened. Diana even got to see a magical pamphlet that showed him holding the Earth.

Hercules is MUCH different from Marvel Hercules.

Are you serious?
How do they explain holding up the earth??

Originally posted by long pig
Are you serious?
How do they explain holding up the earth??

The same reason they explain ANY type of magical feat: magic.

Yes it defies all laws of physics. But what doesn't in the DC universe? 😄

Originally posted by Draco69
What more convincing do you need? Think it about. He can trade blows with Class 85 (Thing & Namor) character....but one punch cannot knock themout? Wonder Woman can lift well into the millions of tons. But Hulk has trouble with the Thing and Namor?

Captain America dodged and even friggin blocked on of his punches numerous times particularly when the Hulk left the Avengers. And several other times when he faced the Avengers in a battle.

Did you read Wolverine's first appearance in the Hulk. Hulk couldn't land a hit. Only when Wolverine was distracted by the Norwegian girl was he able to land a blow. And I won't even mention his period as Death.

Spider-Man faced the Hulk as a plain ol' normal self...and dodged every blow. Hulk only managed to get a glancing blow after hours of fighting and Petey was beginning to tire.

Wonder Woman can exceed the speed of sound by folds. Add her near-Superman-level strength and fighting ability and Hulk loses.

Any blow coming her way would be dodged, deflected or parried.

No he doesn't. He punches Hulk then he throws his hammer. Rinse and repeat. Sometimes he uses a occassional lightening bolt. But all his fights with Hulk have been a very poor showing of Thor's abilities.

The Hulk durability and regenerative abilites would only compensate for a while. WW would eventually have his number...and proceed to kick the crap out him.

Not the head. The Lansinar technology. Although she now carries a bag with Medousa's Head in it.

I think you're mistaken. Captain America hadn't even been introduced when Hulk left the Avengers. Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man founded the Avengers. Hulk left the Avengers when the Space Phantom disguised himself as Hulk, and his teammates attacked ruthlessly. Captain America hadn't even been conceived. He has never dodged blows from th Hulk.

I own the the issue in which Wolverine was introduced. Wolverine did not dodge Hulk's blows, and he was defeated soundly.

Once again, I challenge you to find an issue in which normal Spiderman has dodged Hulk's blows, without the advantage of the powers of Captain Universe. I will search my collections.

Do you own any of Hulk and Thor's battles? I own quite a few. Thor uses Mjolnir's power as a last resort. He uses his mastery of hand to hand fighting when battling Hulk. When Hulk's strength becomes too great of a factor, he resorts to Mjolnir.

Why would his durability and regeneration fail? Both increase with his anger, similarly to his strength. The angier he becomes, the more durable he will become. The longer the fight lasts, the more it turns in Hulk's favor. If anyone's durability is in question, it's Wonder Woman's

Could you referr me to the last issue in which Wonder Woman carried the head with her in battle? In a recent JLA comic book, I did not see her carrying it.

Originally posted by Draco69
Did you read the Seven Labours of Hercules? He held it for Atlas.

Is this a DC comic book series, or are you referring to the actual legend?

Originally posted by Draco69
The same reason they explain ANY type of magical feat: magic.

Yes it defies all laws of physics. But what doesn't in the DC universe? 😄

What was he standing on?

Sorry again, here's my reply adressing Hulk's strength.

Hulk trades blows with Thing and Namor both. But, it has also been shown that he can lift billions upon billions of tons while totally calm. Hulk doesn't attack people, or start fights. He just want's to be left alone, and will do whatever his necessary to be rid of his foes. It isn't always a question of strength, but instead, durability. On the other hand, who wants to read a fight in which Hulk knocks out his opponent in one punch? Is it really much different than Wonder Woman trading blows with Deathstroke? Wonder Woman isn't exactly notorious for knocking out her opponents in one punch, either. The companies do have to sell comics.

If you don't mind, I'd like some sort of concrete evidence proving that Wonder Woman is stronger than Hulk is while calm.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
I think you're mistaken. Captain America hadn't even been introduced when Hulk left the Avengers. Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man founded the Avengers. Hulk left the Avengers when the Space Phantom disguised himself as Hulk, and his teammates attacked ruthlessly. Captain America hadn't even been conceived. He has never dodged blows from the Hulk.

You're right I was mistaken about that. (Stupid Caffeine rush).

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
I own the the issue in which Wolverine was introduced. Wolverine did not dodge Hulk's blows, and he was defeated soundly.

Uh...no. All it took was ONE punch to knock out Wolverine. Wolverine dodged all his punches was practically playing leap-frog with him. The only reason Hulk managed to get a blow was because the Norwegian sister of the avatar of Wendigo distracted him. And Hulk took that to his advantage.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
Once again, I challenge you to find an issue in which normal Spiderman has dodged Hulk's blows, without the advantage of the powers of Captain Universe. I will search my collections.

Web of Spider-Man #8

ASM #119-120

Marvel Treasury Edition #28

Marvel Team-Up #124

Incredible Hulk #300

Amazing Spider-Man #500

Need anymore?

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
Do you own any of Hulk and Thor's battles? I own quite a few. Thor uses Mjolnir's power as a last resort. He uses his mastery of hand to hand fighting when battling Hulk. When Hulk's strength becomes too great of a factor, he resorts to Mjolnir.

I don't own. But I have read them. Unfortnately it doesn't accurately displays how Thor really fights. It was just a plot to see which characters were stronger.

And unfortnately for Thor he doesn't have superspeed. Diana does. That combined with her strength and fighting skills would negate a rather large portion of his blows.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
Why would his durability and regeneration fail? Both increase with his anger, similarly to his strength. The angier he becomes, the more durable he will become. The longer the fight lasts, the more it turns in Hulk's favor. If anyone's durability is in question, it's Wonder Woman's

His durability would be in question because of this factor:

A thousand near-Superman blows per second at superspeed. Namor knocked him out with a couple of blows underwater.

Regeneration would be in question because the Lansinar technology can analyze and counteract it. It can become anything it desires.

If you notice I'm not even mentioning the Lansinar technology nor the lasso to its fullest potential. The Lasso has calming effect on those entrapped in it's grasp. Calmness plus the Hulk equal Bruce Banner.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
Could you referr me to the last issue in which Wonder Woman carried the head with her in battle? In a recent JLA comic book, I did not see her carrying it.

Sure. Wonder Woman #213. Here's a tip: READ. HER. BOOKS. JLA is never and never will be a accurate display of her abilities. Especially with the needless amping of Batman.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
Is this a DC comic book series, or are you referring to the actual legend?

This is an actual event in DC continuity. Not legend. The only changes is the fact that Hercules is more of an @$$ in this universe.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
What was he standing on?

Some mystical plane. It was a glittery looking cloud. 😕

Billions of tons while calm?

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
Sorry again, here's my reply adressing Hulk's strength.

Hulk trades blows with Thing and Namor both. But, it has also been shown that he can lift billions upon billions of tons while totally calm.
Hulk doesn't really attack people. He just want's to be left alone, and will do whatever his necessary to be rid of his foes. It isn't always a question of strength, but instead, durability. Besides, is it really much different than Wonder Woman trading blows with Deathstroke?

That's strange the Official Handbook of the Incredible Hulk says otherwise.

He needs anger to reach that level. He certainly cannot reach the level of strength when he is calm. That's ludicrous. When he's calm he is at his weakest. He needs anger OR adrenaline to reach that level of strength. Particularly when a mountain his about to crush him.

Durability? Wonder Woman was hit by Zoom at lightspeed. Traveled from New York to Paris in less than a second. Hit the ground EXTREMELY hard. Then was hit again to Egypt. Then to China. Then COMPLETELY around the world to Themyscira. The entire time she was laughing at him.

Originally posted by Gamma Crush!
Wonder Woman isn't exactly notorious for knocking out her opponents in one punch, either. If you don't mind, I'd like some sort of concrete evidence proving that Wonder Woman is stronger than Hulk is while calm. I'd like some concrete evidence

I already gave you evidence. Look a couple pages back. I sincerely suggest reading her comics.

WW is initially stronger than the Hulk. After several bouts of anger he'll eventually surpass her. Not that he would be conscious that long anyway.

Calm hulk is only around the 75 ton mark, everything i've ever read shows this.

Originally posted by long pig
Calm hulk is only around the 75 ton mark, everything i've ever read shows this.

Would "everything" include his comic books?

Originally posted by Draco69
That's strange the Official Handbook of the Incredible Hulk says otherwise.

He needs anger to reach that level. He certainly cannot reach the level of strength when he is calm. That's ludicrous. When he's calm he is at his weakest. He needs anger OR adrenaline to reach that level of strength. Particularly when a mountain his about to crush him.

Durability? Wonder Woman was hit by Zoom at lightspeed. Traveled from New York to Paris in less than a second. Hit the ground EXTREMELY hard. Then was hit again to Egypt. Then to China. Then COMPLETELY around the world to Themyscira. The entire time she was laughing at him.

I already gave you evidence. Look a couple pages back. I sincerely suggest reading her comics.

WW is initially stronger than the Hulk. After several bouts of anger he'll eventually surpass her. Not that he would be conscious that long anyway.

There is no "Official Handbook of the Incredible Hulk" in print. There is an "Incredible Hulk Encyclopedia," and "The Incredible Guide to Hulk" published by DK. If you're referring to the book published by DK, it's full of inaccuracies. The Hulk Encyclopedia merely preceeds the movie, and doesn't offer much information.

I'll respond to the rest tomorrow. Good night, and nice debating you Draco69.

Originally posted by Draco69
That's strange the Official Handbook of the Incredible Hulk says otherwise.

He needs anger to reach that level. He certainly cannot reach the level of strength when he is calm. That's ludicrous. When he's calm he is at his weakest. He needs anger OR adrenaline to reach that level of strength. Particularly when a mountain his about to crush him.

Durability? Wonder Woman was hit by Zoom at lightspeed. Traveled from New York to Paris in less than a second. Hit the ground EXTREMELY hard. Then was hit again to Egypt. Then to China. Then COMPLETELY around the world to Themyscira. The entire time she was laughing at him.

I already gave you evidence. Look a couple pages back. I sincerely suggest reading her comics.

WW is initially stronger than the Hulk. After several bouts of anger he'll eventually surpass her. Not that he would be conscious that long anyway.

Ahh, this thread brings back memories.

lol

Handbooks aren't worth anything. Use the comics when gauging power. Truth is, everything Gamma has said pertaining to Hulk's strength is true. Hulk moved tectonic plates while 100% calm. When angry, he has punched the Earth from it's orbit, destroyed planets, and performed other feats of strength that Wonder Woman could only dream of.

I don't know where everyone got the notion that it takes hours four Hulk to attain a certain level of strength. He isn't Goku. Hulk starts off with an insane base strength, and he becomes stronger when more strength is required. He doesn't have to charge his anger, or anything. It just increases exponentially. It's that simple. Hulk is the strongest; bar none. Strength is no object.

Draco also has a valid point. Though Thor certainly does use his fighting ability against Hulk, (which is countered by Hulk's durability,) he has never unleashed the full fury of Mjolnir on Hulk, either. The results would be disasterous for Hulk.

Even still, Wonder Woman has many advantages other than strength. She's a uber-well-rounded god-like character with incredible fighting ability, unbreakable bracelets that project forcefields, a lasso that's unbreakable, and access to a source of power that can make her nigh-omnipotent. Hulk's strength would only carry him so far in this battle, and it isn't exactly the point of victory. Hulk is more than a match for Wonder Woman physically, but Wondie using all of her abilities and resources, plus her thousands of years of fighting experience... let's say Hulk has a better chance of beating Superman.