Originally posted by TheKahn
eer Could you run that by me one more time?
Originally posted by capt it up
yup it makes no diffrence. were was it ever stated wolverine durability was enchanced? or for that matter what enchancedments ecpt for wolverine getting back his adamatium skeleton were ever mention? non at all. wolverine was not enchanced beyond getting back his adamtium skeleton and gettin ga adamatium sword.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you cited the example of "Death" Wolverine being able to walk through an optic blast by Cyke and not be blown away? If that is the case then Wolverine's durability was clearly enhanced as there isn't, to my knowledge, any example of Wolverine ever being able to do such a feat before to since.
Originally posted by capt it up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/sinister_samurai/Wolverine/f17846b2.jpg
And the point of that scan was???
We all know that Cyke can vary the intensity of his optic blast and Wolverine, himself, states that the beams are not hitting him as hard as they are able. So I'm kind of lost as to the relevance that scan has.
Originally posted by Rewmac
I just love Wolvie fanboys....Well do you really think he has a chance against Colossus or better The Juggernaut???
colosus is a toss up... colosus has proven incapible of KOing wolverine.. wolverine's proven to rip organic metal.... but both are ambiguous due to other feats and aspects... juggernaught.. no... but then again.. thing can't take juggernaught either.. juggernaught's incapible of being physically disabled, thing is not..
as a sidenote.. wolverine went toe to toe with warpath a guy who as the exact same statistical data as thing and was winning the fight....
Originally posted by TheKahn
And the point of that scan was???
We all know that Cyke can vary the intensity of his optic blast and Wolverine, himself, states that the beams are not hitting him as hard as they are able. So I'm kind of lost as to the relevance that scan has.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Isn't that like only instance where Wolverine does something like that?
no.. in hulk 425 hulk punches wolverine with NO METAL on his bones.. wolverine doesn't get Koed..
in hulk 8 hulk smacks and throws a de-admantiumized wolverine the entire issue.. wolvie doesn't go down.
in hulk/wolverine wolverine and hulk get caught in an avalanche wolverine reamains concious, hulk doesn't.
in x-men (?) wolverine is punched hard enough to reach escape velocity and he's fine.
creshosck is aware of a book in which wolverine fights gladiator for 6 days.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you cited the example of "Death" Wolverine being able to walk through an optic blast by Cyke and not be blown away? If that is the case then Wolverine's durability was clearly enhanced as there isn't, to my knowledge, any example of Wolverine ever being able to do such a feat before to since.
nor were any previous examples involving the same situation as that one...
the point still stands, even if wolverine was enhanced (which I don't believe because no enhancements besides a cloaking device and psionic defenses were ever mentioned) who took his enhancements away? for instance: when apocylips enhanced caliban the enhancements stuck, when he enhanced warren the enhacements stuck, is it not logical to reason that even IF wolverine WAS enhanced.. he kept the enhancements?
either way stating that the fight involved wolverine as death makes no difference.. aside from that it is of note that in terms of pure physical competition wolverine fared worse against cable, and angel than he did when he fought them as himself.
No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
No SvFL
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored. For example, in Larry Hama's run of Batman and Grell's run of Iron Man, both characters were out of character and did things very much against established canon; therefore those runs are disregarded.
Wolverine often does feats well beyond what should be capable and accepted. My opinion is beating the Colossus, Hulk, Thing or Namor H2H is well beyond him.
Originally posted by TheKahn
And the point of that scan was???
We all know that Cyke can vary the intensity of his optic blast and Wolverine, himself, states that the beams are not hitting him as hard as they are able. So I'm kind of lost as to the relevance that scan has.
didn't cyk just blast him with everything he had previous to that scan?
Originally posted by badabing
No Mentioning Events of PISPlot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
No SvFL
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored. For example, in Larry Hama's run of Batman and Grell's run of Iron Man, both characters were out of character and did things very much against established canon; therefore those runs are disregarded.Wolverine often does feats well beyond what should be capable and accepted. My opinion is beating the Colossus, Hulk, Thing or Namor H2H is well beyond him.
it's really not though.. I mean if you look at the consistancy in which he takes on or takes down bricks...
in your defense though wolverine probably doesn't have a winning record vs. bricks.
Originally posted by badabing
No Mentioning Events of PISPlot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
No SvFL
Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored. For example, in Larry Hama's run of Batman and Grell's run of Iron Man, both characters were out of character and did things very much against established canon; therefore those runs are disregarded.Wolverine often does feats well beyond what should be capable and accepted. My opinion is beating the Colossus, Hulk, Thing or Namor H2H is well beyond him.
Originally posted by capt it upWhat can Wolverine possibly do to Colossus (never was able going through his metal), Namor or Gladiator???
actauly giving wolverien skill set he should be perfect for fighting the characters u have mentioned. I love how u don't u prove or anything u just try and call wolverine PIS or CIS
I love how you think Wolverine is the end all, be all. Him lasting a H2H fight with heavy hitters is for plot purposes. It should never happen. The last time I posted pics you said they were fake because it hurts you deep to see Wolverine lose. You can live in a world where Wolverine can beat anybody, and that's fine. I base my opinion on facts and COMMON SENSE.
Originally posted by badabing
I love how you think Wolverine is the end all, be all. Him lasting a H2H fight with heavy hitters is for plot purposes. It should never happen. The last time I posted pics you said they were fake because it hurts you deep to see Wolverine lose. You can live in a world where Wolverine can beat anybody, and that's fine. I base my opinion on facts and COMMON SENSE.
when did anyone say your pics were fake?.. the last I saw they were arguing that ultimate universe stuff shouldn't be used to dictate the events in a debate concerning 616 characters... it was also stated that your pics were bias.. a theory which I aim to test ths weekend, but fake? when was that said..
also logan has been fighting heavy hitters since his first appearance. I still don't understand how it's so unthinkable to people.
