"nah you are in denial, bison would be the closest thing to a sorceror is what i meant, because he does some feats of mind control in the past don't assume I meant akuma."
NO that's clearly not what you meant at all.....Bison's powers are psionic or psychic by nature...he's induced by scientific means....he has never shown any capabilities to show that he's a sorcorer of any sort. he can't conjure, he can't summon, he can't vanquish, he's not a sorcorer...he's more comaprible to a psychic like psylock more than anything.....the only one who comces close to being a sorceror is rose...but neither she nor bison are in this fight so it's a moote point....
admit it.....that quote was a direct retaliation for the fact that you know akuma can do nothing to scorpion that will suffice as lasting damage....you can't even rearrange the words to make that sound like you meant anything different by it, and you made no attempt to correct yourself until I called you out on it....
aside from that...here's what you posted...
"Akuma and Gill and bison are basically gods, sorcerers for that matter."
the post was clearly a statement about akuma and gill I'm not ASSUMING that you were talking about akuma, I know you were...as would anyone with two eyes in their head and a braind between their ears.....in any case BISON had nothing to do with that quote his name wasn't even mentioned until later....stop pretending like you didn't mean what you said at the time and just own up to the fact that you ****ed up, making a flawed claim about the characters you're trying to defend...
and the netherrealm thing is as KINTRAZ SAID a known fact about scorpion....I guess that's the benefit of having an entire afterlife realm under your control....you're saying scorpion would need months or weeks to recover? since when? SINCE YOU STARTED MAKING UP HIS ABILITIES FOR HIM?!?!?! PUH-LEASE! I mean really...go read something about MK.....sub zero froze him shattered him into tiny pieces and he recouped in no-time.....damn...
who said months and weeks to recover?
And noone was saying they ARE sorcerors or anything directly, you might as well call them one because of their ability to conjure up energy and direct it at will,you know Scorpion is losing so you wont let that fact go.
Anyone who uses mk facts to determine classes and char must be off, if Quan and Shang were true sorcerers, wouldn't they rely on more spellcasting than anything, although shang gets other abilites, and quan abilities come from his magic, a sorceror, they are just sorcerors after all.'
You are using that same old quote because you have no way of proving a win. You came to be correct, and failed miserably. I will however apologize if it sound like I said that you knew nothing at all, since I saw you post on the Game versus forums. I only saw where your bias lies, and it is quite clear you said it yourself.
Scorpion doesn't stand a chance against akuma, you act if noone but sub zero can beat him, making you SOUND, not acutally are, ignorant and one sided bottom line. Stop making 3rd grade excuses like he can just teleport here or there, and use concrete fact.
Hoshi made a claim at scorpion's remanifestation period....that wasn't for you....
using energy as a force of destruction is not something that implies a sorcorer....I mean common...would you call havok a sorcorer? no!
the thing is...your "point" about that damn quote changes everytime you talk about it so you might as well stop...I didn't fail....you made sure of that whether you like it or not....
and no quanchi and shang stung are not "just sorcerors" qhan has the friggin medallion strength of said gods....shang stung has been taught in the was of sorcory by shao kahn a ruler of multpile worlds....and on top of that he has the abilities and powers of literally thousands of the best fighters from each generation of the past...either of these characters would give akuma a good run for his money if not outright kill him....
"Anyone who uses mk facts to determine classes and char must be off, "
now you're saying mk stats don't count...? 😕 you're becomming less and les worth my time....
and no body but sub-zero can kill him...it's basically his bloodright....sorcerors can beat him.....not in the netherrealm though...see that's the thing...even if you could somehow prove that akuma could beat scorpion into the ground in the normal world...you have nothing but to admit defeat if scorpion takes him to netherealm....
concrete facts are thus......akuma as cool as he is is not as physically strong as scorpion....via ryus own admission....
akuma is bound by human mortality...scorpion is not..
akuma can be hurt by scorpion, while at the same time he can't do anything but "fight air" in return...
in netherealm scorpion owns everybody....akuma does not..
No I just have to keep explaining the point to you in their world they are new age sorcerors and the point is irrelivant, period.
You made yourself dig a deeper whole,I'm saying that TITLES don't matter, Quan Chi could be a CHIMERA for all i care, he exists and he is strong.
Shin Akuma isn't going to be stopped by the likes of quan chi or shang. In a match, they aren't even considered worthy, and they are cheap anyways, relying on trickery and therefore downplaying them.
Scorpion is not stronger than akuma by any stretch of the imagination, he is immortal , but so is gill, and none of the guys you mentioned would stand up to him.
We are not saying kill we are saying defeat, and scorpion has been defeated by others than sub zero you are amping ways to win, bats has his gadgets car and everything else., scorpion gets the netherworld like powers. You are making ways for him to win,and it sounds like denial to me why would scorpion have to cheat if he is so great, besides Moloch and Drahmin beat on scorpion many times down there, i don't understand why you refuse to see that to. Shin Akuma is all about ownage baby, if you fought him on max difficulty we wouldn't be having these discussions.
In any means being immortal does not make you a better fighter, he is in a physical avatar, one that can be broken, his body can be soundly defeated, but his soul never rests, and in that case all of these guys and you in me are immortal in that sense, period, ryu could take scorpion without implementing the dark hadou.
you're missing the points....yes quan chi and shang could most likely take akuma.....you don't have one thing to prove they can't...
yes he is physically stronger...once again ryu admitted balrog possessed the most raw power over anyone he'd ever fought before...and this was after an akuma fight....scorpion overpowered a baraka warrior (who possess enough strength to lift entire buildings, that's class 100), and then took over the mutant armies...
debating why scorpion should or shouldn't be able to use the nether-relam is ridiculous.....it's one of his powers IF he was being overpowered why wouldn't he use it to his advantage..he's a freaking ninja for christs sakes....it's not like he's "above" cheating. 🙄
you're basically saying that akuma can go all out but scorpion can't.....
and batman? he gets to use his gadgets and car cause they are tools at his disposal...once again....it's not out of character to use the best weapons that you have...
and I never argued whether or not scorpion's a better fighter, I clearly think that akuma is the better in that regard....but the thing is scorpions fighting skills are still comparible, he'd still be a good fighter....the main point is however....he doesn't have to be a great fighter because ha can make numerous mistakes without concern....subzero shattered his ghost form into tiny pieces and scorpion recovered withing moments....akuma doesn't have that advantage...and like I said even IF IF IF the fight was going that misreably for scorpion, which it shouldn't considering he has powers granted to him from heaven and hell at this point.....neatherrealm equates to death for akuma.
and finally no...SF fighters are not new age sorcerors.....at all.......again, would you call havoc a sorcorer? with the exception of rose..they are not..
well they were taken by weaker characters, like liu kang, who gave shang tsung plenty of trouble, and if you think liu kang beats akuma, than you wouldn't seriously believe yourself
Scorpion is not physically stronger, more deadly of course, akuma fights a select few, my point was with bats that if this is not a prep match, (not intended anyway) but including all that , scorpion has not the energy or performs feats that akuma does.
Use akumas most powerful powerful techniques, would definitely give Scorpion a run for his money, akuma would own dimitri, and he is well a vampire, in that same category as scorpion and has trained for 5000 years/
thats all i'm saying , and I thought rose and bison were very similar, they have similar powers its all how you use it and bison has done some mind control
bison uses mind control but he needs the augmentation of technology to do so....
anyways....scorpion isn't capible of preforming feats with as muh of an emmensity to them as akuma does it's true...but scorpion's more deadly, you said so yourself...
I'm not even saying scorpion would own akuma...of course akuma would eventually beat him on this plain of existance...but it will have been in vein since scorpion can just remanifest and kill akuma immediately after......that doesn't make akuma any less powerful or cool...he just doesn't have the tools he needs in order to be able to defeat scorpion for the count...but then again few people do...like i said before...akuma can use as much power as he wants but he might as well be fighting air since he can't hurt scorpion.....and until I see akuma overpower with raw strength a character in the class 100 category that stat goes to scorp....
lui kang beat shang but it was in a tournement......in mk rayden and shang had to seriously depower themselves just to participate in the tourny......shang even had to obide by specific rules to the fight.....lui's a boring character...that doesn't make him weak however...
OK i will come to an agreement on this since you brought up a great point, something you have a knack for. 😛
You mentioned the new Champion scorpion that one is badass, and would own akuma up and down on the netherworld, my problem was with the moloch and drahmin, who are strong but never could come across an akuma and not live to regret it.
I just thought you were thinking of the average akuma, and it seemed like you were not trying to imagine the uberpowerfullness of SHIN AKUMA., BUT you understand you were just holding back because I did the same...........
I already told you I loved scorpion but liu, yeah he can stay dead,
My favs:
Scorpion, Drahmin, Cyrax, Noob Saibot, and Johhny Cage(don't ask me why,) and in games, definitely noob-smoke.
akuma vs. scorpion right here tell me if you want the sequel!
The thing about characters who "can never die" is that yes in fact they can die; they just haven't met someone powerful enough to kill them permanently yet. Like for example, pit Freddy Kreuger against, say, Lucifer ... and Freddy will be removed from existence FOR GOOD.
But Freddy can't die permanently!
Well, yes he can. He just hasn't been pitted against a being capable of making it happen. 😉
That said, my vote goes to Akuma.
Originally posted by Orestes
The thing about characters who "can never die" is that yes in fact they can die; they just haven't met someone powerful enough to kill them permanently yet. Like for example, pit Freddy Kreuger against, say, Lucifer ... and Freddy will be removed from existence FOR GOOD.But Freddy can't die permanently!
Well, yes he can. He just hasn't been pitted against a being capable of making it happen. 😉
That said, my vote goes to Akuma.
that's not a good analogy at all....where does freddy get his power from?
.....demons...who are under therule of who?....
....the devil....
akuma doesn't supply scorpion scorpion's powers so your comparison is moot... 🤨
also the difference between the powers of akuma and scorpion aren't NEARLY as lopsided as those between Lucifer and a friggin dream demon....