JEHOVAH: The Real Name of God?

Originally posted by debbiejo
The doctrine does. And that's everywhere.

As far as non-church goers go...They don't even realize it...because it's so prevalent in society...handed down through the ages....But not all are fooled.

You see not all Christians are controlled by the church because we do not believe that the church is always right. We rather believe what is written in the Bible. The churches takes things out of context many times and this is were we need to know what the Bible says. Even chritians know that our brains are very powerful tools and we have abilities but our brains need to be trained to use it.

Originally posted by sonnet
You see not all Christians are controlled by the church because we do not believe that the church is always right. We rather believe what is written in the Bible. The churches takes things out of context many times and this is were we need to know what the Bible says. Even chritians know that our brains are very powerful tools and we have abilities but our brains need to be trained to use it.

Yes, but the church condemns anyone else who can heal in gods name, but of course it is a god called by a different name.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yes, but the church condemns anyone else who can heal in gods name, but of course it is a god called by a different name.

But didn't Jesus say "an enemy of your enemy is your friend."? I don't see where the bible condems this but rather supports it. But of course you may see differently...

Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
But didn't Jesus say "an enemy of your enemy is your friend."? I don't see where the bible condems this but rather supports it. But of course you may see differently...

Maybe it's different in Catholic churches, but the protestant church and televangelists have made it clear that if it's not done in Jesus name, then it is from Satan...Just like the weeping Mary statues are from satan...Just like aliens are from satan (evil angels)...All unexplained or psychics are from satan....Hasn't anyone ever heard these things???

Or am I just the lucky one.

Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
My name (not really but just for the sake of argument) is Bob. If my two year old cant say "Bob", but rather "bo" or "boo" wouldn't make it wrong. Of course "Bo" or "boo" aren't my names, therefore erroneous. However not once through the bible did it ever mention Jesus correcting people for calling God by the wrong name. So I say "what ever rocks your boat. As long as you use that name with the utmost respect. When all else passes, go for it."

But in the case of YHWH, it's different. It's YHWH and not JEHOVAH.

JEHOVAH is erroneous transliteration. It's not that it is difficult to pronounce, if it is difficult to pronounce the Name, why consider an erroneous transliteration to use as God's proper name?

Imposing the use of this erroneous name is also propagating an error - one way of using God's name in vain, indeed.

Erroneous by whos claims?

You should have known that, Prince. 🙂

Jury, you really need to broaden your horizons. You seen stagnated.

go through life with tunnel vision must be a blast

Owned....jury you got owned. Nah I'm jk 😛. But seriously Jury the people who gave him the names are the ones saying it's erroneous. Using the name of God is vain is using it outside of his purpose: Prayer and Personal conversation. An utmost respect. Trash it, and it becomes a blasphemy.

Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
Owned....jury you got owned. Nah I'm jk 😛. But seriously Jury the people who gave him the names are the ones saying it's erroneous. Using the name of God is vain is using it outside of his purpose: Prayer and Personal conversation. An utmost respect. Trash it, and it becomes a blasphemy.

While calling God in an erroneous manner (like calling Him JEHOVAH), is not really calling Him.

There are many ways and many Names we can call our God.

God is our Lord.

He once introduced Himself as "Jealous God".

He also presented Himself as "I AM".

And "I AM WHAT I AM".

Old Israel called Him "Father".

And Jesus Himself called God as "Father - the one and only true God".

One name, however, appears INCOMPREHENSIBLE for human wisdom, and that is YHWH.

Many attempted to transliterate the Tetragrammaton... but their toil only produced an ERRONEOUS one - JEHOVAH.

While it is erroneous - there's no need to recognize JEHOVAH as God's proper name.

In your opinion, others wuold see differently. However, like I said before, the name doesn't matter, but rather the intention. It is Blasphemy, not because you used the name, but rather how you used it. If it's considered blasphemy to use the wrong name, and technically since it's God's name we can never fully pronounce it correctly, than we would all be responsible for this extremly commmon sin. However because blasphemy is the utter use of the word, and not the actual pronounciation let alone choice of it, than there is no real fault. Let's use an example. Lets say I know a tribe in africa who recognize God as "Father earth". Well it's how it translates into English. Catholic, follow the Church teachings, but are intelligent enough to not follow it blindly. And it's not biblically "erroneuos" because he did create the earth. So then why use a different name? Because it may suits them best for what they are believing in. Or face daily in their lives. Debbiejo, correct me if i'm wrong but, one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is Fear of the Lord. Well what if to ascertain that virture they recognize him as a different name. Or because they are poor and agriculture there is not as well as it should be, they know that in God's infinite power he can refurtilize the earth. You have to consider the times and the situations the names were used in. And if the times no longer call for that name, than perhaps it is erroneuos. But then again, if the meaning of each name is "God", than I don't see that happening anytime soon.

*sigh* that was long.

Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
In your opinion, others wuold see differently. However, like I said before, the name doesn't matter, but rather the intention.

It is Blasphemy, not because you used the name, but rather how you used it. If it's considered blasphemy to use the wrong name, and technically since it's God's name we can never fully pronounce it correctly, than we would all be responsible for this extremly commmon sin.

However because blasphemy is the utter use of the word, and not the actual pronounciation let alone choice of it, than there is no real fault. Let's use an example. Lets say I know a tribe in africa who recognize God as "Father earth". Well it's how it translates into English. Catholic, follow the Church teachings, but are intelligent enough to not follow it blindly. And it's not biblically "erroneuos" because he did create the earth. So then why use a different name? Because it may suits them best for what they are believing in. Or face daily in their lives.

Debbiejo, correct me if i'm wrong but, one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is Fear of the Lord. Well what if to ascertain that virture they recognize him as a different name. Or because they are poor and agriculture there is not as well as it should be, they know that in God's infinite power he can refurtilize the earth. You have to consider the times and the situations the names were used in. And if the times no longer call for that name, than perhaps it is erroneuos. But then again, if the meaning of each name is "God", than I don't see that happening anytime soon.

*sigh* that was long.

OH...Geee Wizzz...Jesus even said to refer to God as Father, or Abba, to be familiar and not distant...God is a big god...He's not going to freak out!

As far as I've read "Fear of the Lord" isn't a fruit of the spirit, both fear in scripture is really to be in awe of God...Not terrified that He'll squash you.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such
things there is no law." (Galatians Chapter 5, verses 22-23)

Odd I always thought that they were:
Charity
Joy
Peace
Patience
Benignity
Goodness
Long-suffering (patient suffering over an extended period)
Mildness
Faith
Modesty
Continency
Chastity

And Jury, If God cares so much, why hasn't anyone stepped and corrected this? Honestly Jury, God doesn't care. The name DOESN"T matter, but rather the intention. The Africans called him Father Earth because of the intention that he would fertilize the earth. A gain for the people in the faith of His power. If I were to say (and only for the sake of argument) Oh my YHWH, but I don't recognize that as the name of God, am I responsible for comminting the act of blasphemy?

Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
Odd I always thought that they were:
Charity
Joy
Peace
Patience
Benignity
Goodness
Long-suffering (patient suffering over an extended period)
Mildness
Faith
Modesty
Continency
Chastity

What verse is that in??? Maybe there are more than is listed in Galations that I quoted.

The 5th one down almost looks like benaughty. 😂

😆 only you would see stuff like that...

Originally posted by debbiejo
What verse is that in??? Maybe there are more than is listed in Galations that I quoted.

The 5th one down almost looks like benaughty. 😂

There are many chapters in the Bible that speaks of the fruits of the spirit not just Galations. You should really read the whole Bible not just the parts you like.

I've read the whole Bible. And have done years of Bible studies thanks.

I was a very long time strong Conservative Christian.

Originally posted by PrinceofBlades
And Jury, If God cares so much, why hasn't anyone stepped and corrected this? Honestly Jury, God doesn't care. The name DOESN"T matter, but rather the intention. The Africans called him Father Earth because of the intention that he would fertilize the earth. A gain for the people in the faith of His power. If I were to say (and only for the sake of argument) Oh my YHWH, but I don't recognize that as the name of God, am I responsible for comminting the act of blasphemy?

No one can utter YHWH but we can still call God as God, Father, Lord, and as how the Bible has prescribed... but again, One's failure to call God by His name is itself a failure of recognition. Invoking the wrong name of the Father in heaven proves that one has not really recognized Him. Like you do.

And I know you don't know Him. 🙂

Originally posted by Jury
Okay. "Name" of God doesn't matter to you when you call or pray to Him. That's it. That is your belief.

No one can utter YHWH but we can still call God as God, Father, Lord, and as how the Bible has prescribed... but again, [b]One's failure to call God by His name is itself a failure of recognition. Invoking the wrong name of the Father in heaven proves that one has not really recognized Him. Like you do.

And I know you don't know Him. 🙂 [/B]

niether do you. And besides I recognize God as God, Father, Dude, what ever the moment calls for. (Actually the last one is a personal no one, it was a joke that grew on me)...