Comic Book Questions

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Kazenji Onyx Prime

I'll ask again....

For the X-men fans, Been reading the old wolverine comics which started in 1989 and he mentions the X-men faked their own death

Who where they fighting to cause this??

Akuki KMC ELITE - CABLE

Originally posted by Kazenji
I'll ask again....

For the X-men fans, Been reading the old wolverine comics which started in 1989 and he mentions the X-men faked their own death

Who where they fighting to cause this??


Are you talking about the time where they went through the Siege perilous in order to beat Nimrod? I'm not sure when that happened though.

willRules 4 8 15 16 23 42

There was also that time when Reality was being ripped into half by some weird Apache Indian Trickster God and the X-men sacrificed themselves to stop him. They were brought back to life but were believed to still be dead ✅

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't think so. The feats were still Pre Crisis Supes's feats, so they shouldn't be valid for current Supes since he wasn't the one to actually accomplish them. At best that kind of thing would just be a loophole IMO.

Have you been reading the current JSA comics?

Superman clearly makes a mention of all his adventures with the Legion as a boy. With all the changes being made to the DC universe, it wouldn't surprise me if the Pre-Crisis feats were fair game for Superman.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by batdude123
Have you been reading the current JSA comics?

Superman clearly makes a mention of all his adventures with the Legion as a boy. With all the changes being made to the DC universe, it wouldn't surprise me if the Pre-Crisis feats were fair game for Superman.


DC characters have remembered and made reference to Pre-Crisis events for a while now(otherwise Barry Allen wouldn't even be remembered). Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Despero, Supes, etc. have all made comments about Pre-Crisis encounters, but that doesn't mean that everything went down EXACTLY like they did Pre Crisis when the Universe restarted. Now if Supes talks about actually destroying a solar system with a sneeze then I'll credit him with the feat, but as is COIE was away to get rid of the ridiculousness running rampant in DC at the time so it seems wrong to start counting those feats to the character's total.

Hell think about it, did Supes ever talk about Gold K-nite in any of those adventures? If so, that would mean that Gold K-nite is now part of current continuity even though it hasn't been seen or discussed in 20 years...

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

It's funny, because that's the EXACT same reason why we're allowed to use Hal Jordan's Pre-Crisis feats for him. Yet Superman's are off-limits?

Double standards = sheer hilarity.

Any kind of mention or remembrance of events pre-COIE means that Superman's young days in the Legion of Superheroes are fair game.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by batdude123
It's funny, because that's the EXACT same reason why we're allowed to use Hal Jordan's Pre-Crisis feats for him. Yet Superman's are off-limits?

Double standards = sheer hilarity.

Any kind of mention or remembrance of events pre-COIE means that Superman's young days in the Legion of Superheroes are fair game.


Hey you're talking with someone who disagrees with PC feats for Green Lantern too remember? I'm not trying to push any kind of double standard, as far as I'm concerned ALL Pre Crisis feats(with the POSSIBLE exception of Darkseid's) are invalid because a they were completely different characters. Unless of course we should go looking for references of Gold K-nite in them to see if it would affect current Supes...

Let me ask you this, did Pre Crisis Supergirl ever appear in the Legion comics with Supes?

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

All I'm saying, is that if we do not allow Superman's, then Hal's shouldn't be allowed either.

I've had a problem with PC Hal's feats being accepted ever since last summer's herald tourney in which leo and Kahn used (numerous) Pre-COIE feats for Hal. They were deemed okay by Validus. His reasoning behind it was because Hal in post-crisis used some allusions to events in the past. 😬

Regardless of whether or not you're against them, there is certainly some double standards going around on KMC when it comes to this subject.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by batdude123
All I'm saying, is that if we do not allow Superman's, then Hal's shouldn't be allowed either.

I've had a problem with PC Hal's feats being accepted ever since last summer's herald tourney in which leo and Kahn used (numerous) Pre-COIE feats for Hal. They were deemed okay by Validus. His reasoning behind it was because Hal in post-crisis used some allusions to events in the past. 😬

Regardless of whether or not you're against them, there is certainly some double standards going around on KMC when it comes to this subject.


I agree. Neither should be allowed.

Kazenji Onyx Prime
Originally posted by willRules
There was also that time when Reality was being ripped into half by some weird Apache Indian Trickster God and the X-men sacrificed themselves to stop him. They were brought back to life but were believed to still be dead ✅

Not sure if that might be it. all i know Logan goes around as patch after it happens.

NiñoAraña Bang Bang

wait, so according to DC, precrisis might now be canon again?

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King
Originally posted by NiñoAraña
wait, so according to DC, precrisis might now be canon again?

That seemed to be the implication on one level.

NiñoAraña Bang Bang

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That seemed to be the implication on one level.
so

PreCrisis Batman...ermmnone

canon?

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

So that means all the stuff on Superdickery.com is canon?

Rorschach Junior Member

Not everything Pre-Crisis is implied to be cannon.

Just some of Superman's legion stories.

Endless Mike Sqirrel Girl fanboy

Does that include the one where he towed a galaxy of planets across the universe?

Rorschach Junior Member

The Legion wasn't involved in that issue so that wouldn't be cannon.

It's implied that some of his adventures in the 30th Century are cannon, his history as Superboy in Smallville isn't.

Superman refrecing something that happened in Adventure Comics 312.

AcousticDoc Senior Member

I'm having a hard time understanding mary marvels story in countdown because I don't understand her current transformation. I know wiki said that black adam gave her his powers but...why would he give mary his powers and risk turning himself mortal?

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King
Originally posted by AcousticDoc
I'm having a hard time understanding mary marvels story in countdown because I don't understand her current transformation. I know wiki said that black adam gave her his powers but...why would he give mary his powers and risk turning himself mortal?

Probably because he just doesn't care anymore. Becoming mortal wasn't a risk it was an absolute certainty.

Rorschach Junior Member
Originally posted by AcousticDoc
I'm having a hard time understanding mary marvels story in countdown because I don't understand her current transformation. I know wiki said that black adam gave her his powers but...why would he give mary his powers and risk turning himself mortal?

It'll probably be explained that the end of the Black Adam miniseries.