Originally posted by Board Walker
Question about tiers, where does Dormmamu, Mephisto, Zeus, Mikaboshi, Blackheart, Set, Gae, Shuma Gorath, Trigon.
First off, most of the characters' power-level you mentioned, is dependent on whether they're within their dimension or not.
Dormammu weakens when he arrives on Earth. But he's established to be skyfather level, and above hell lords such as Mephisto, or someone like Satannish (whom he created). it's been confirmed several times now that he's a skyfather, equal to Odin and Zeus (let me know if you want all the proof) And his on panel depictions certifies this claim. Although, id rank him below Odin (high skyfather), but definitely above Zeus (low skyfather, by showings).
Mephisto should be skyfather level inside his dimension, but below the skyfather tier outside of it. In Silver Surfer Judgment day he managed to fight a hungry Galactus in a universal-scale battle, however this is a very high showing and isn't his average. He's been owned by Warlock (with the soul gem) at the end of Silver Surfer Warlock: Ressurection. He's been dwarfed by Demogorge (a skyfather character) in Thor Annual, and recently in GR v7 Alejandra empowered by Adam's, ripped out his heart. All of those are inside his domain (i can reference other examples, if you want). So he's about skyfather level inside his realm. Outside of it, he's been established to be below skyfather.
Zeus is generally regarded as Odin's equal (via bios/handbooks and on panel statements), though his showings are nowhere near. And his performances are rather unimpressive in general. He got struck by a spear and never regenerated (in Hulk/Hercules titans collide), he was owned by 3 random beasts and was dying due to the heat of the sun (in a Marvel team up issue). And was helplessly bfr'ed 2 times when someone destroyed the promethean flame (Avengers v1 #50 + #100, and cam close in Annual #23). Though he did own the Avengers (including Thor) in their title. So basically id rank him as a low Skyfather.
Mikabishi? As in when he started? If so, he's above Zeus but below Odin. In the Ares mini, he managed to kill Zeus, but got cut with the grasscutter sword by Alex. And then in Secret Invasion we see him imprisoned. After this, he started to get some respect and was revealed to be the primordial darkness before creation, and eventually went up the ladder to the point where he consumed the majority of the multiverse.
Blackheart.....Blackheart is the weakest character out of all you mentioned. He's been depowered early in his career, way back in Daredevil #282 (and btw, in that arc, he was clearly shown to be far inferior to Mephisto while in Hell, who was the one who depowered in the first place). And hadn't regained his full power until Gghost Rider, Punisher Wolverine dark design Graphic Novel in 1994. He stabbed Mephisto with the a knife filled with blood of the innocent girl and took his place as ruler of hell. As the ruler of Hell, he mostly appeared in GR v3 (and din't have any impressive showings, but he had the statements), only to be owned by GR/Kale in the end....who destroyed him. So yeah.....in his realm or not, he's no skyfather.
Set is below skyfather (be it in his dimension or otherwise). Hes been owned by Demogorge two times now. And the first time he only managed to hold his own against him due to bein empowered by dinosaurs, when this amp was gone, he got stomped by Atum. Then in an issue of Thor Annual, Thor took control of Demogorge, went into Set's dimension and stomped him (though it was noted that Set was far more powerful than when Atum faced him originally). Though there was an issue of Marvel two in one annual, where hundreds of serpent crowns were gathered to form an extremely powerful version of Set, who only lost through a cosmic cube. And then there's a What if version of him who also seemed like overly powerful. But regardless, he's established to be below Skyfather.
Gaea has limited feats, she mostly doesn't fight because this isn't in her nature. Though apart from one depiction in Defenders v2, she isn't in the skyfather tier despite being an elder goddess (note: being an elder god doesn't make one > skyfather, at all). She's been owned by Set (in Thor annual), Dormammu (earth-form) (in a Dr Strange arc) though she eventually defeated him, but needed help to be freed. And by Yandroth in Defenders v2, though like i said, in that volume she was quite impressive, Skyfather-level id say, mostly because what she did in the last issue.
Id say Shuma is skyfather level, though by showings, he isn't on Odin's level, definitely above Zeus though. Inside his dimension, he's been defeated by Strange (who was amped, by not skyfather amped) and he also used black magic (happened in Strange Tales v2). Outside his dimension, he got defeated by Strange as well in Marvel Knights, though he was a bit weakened, he compensated that by absorbing some energy from his enemies. He failed to destroy Conan who eventually managed to own him with a book (though it was a plot device) in his title. Generally, Shuma has many low showings, few feats, full of statements. And that's the only reason i rank him skyfather level (due to the implication of his power).
Trigon is the most powerful character you named. He's universal-level. He's been stated to have conquered many universes. And in his most powerful depiction (first arc of New Teen Titans vol. 2), he was going to destroy the entire universe, when he absorbed millions of souls from his entire dimension. He also personifies the concept of evil (stated on panel and confirmed in his bio). Was stated to be able to destroy the universe at one tenth of his power (though that may be a hyperbole considering what happened in that arc). And at least his defeats aren't low showings (weakened through his connection to his daughter and his wife + titans just to be bfr'ed, in another instance it took Azarath's "ultimate light" to destroy Trigon, ultimate light cancelling ultimate dark, etc..). So he's a universal being at the very least.
I could have gotten into more details for each of those characters, but this should give you the general idea about each character.
Originally posted by Board Walker
are beings like Dormmamu, mephisto, etc. in a class above skyfathers but below abstracts?
Nah, both of them are skyfathers (in Mephisto's case, this only applies if he's within his dimension).
They're nowhere near abstracts. There are also several tiers between Skyfather, and Abstratcs.
Originally posted by Board Walker
P.S. I know Odin is a skyfather, but is his power galaxy buster, or universal buster?
He's a high-level skyfather.
He's a multi-galaxy buster, and is capable of universal feats.
Also, if you need scans/proof for anything i said, don't hesitate to ask 🙂
