The Old Late Friday Media Trick: Pentagon Admits Koran Abuse

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The Old Late Friday Media Trick: Pentagon Admits Koran Abuse

The Old Late Friday Media Trick: Pentagon Admits Koran Abuse

Associated Press

WASHINGTON The Pentagon on Friday released new details about mishandling of the Quran at the Guantanamo Bay prison for terror suspects, confirming that a soldier deliberately kicked the Muslim holy book and that an interrogator stepped on a Quran and was later fired for "a pattern of unacceptable behavior."

In other confirmed incidents, a guard's urine came through an air vent and splashed on a detainee and his Quran; water balloons thrown by prison guards caused an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet; and in a confirmed but ambiguous case, a two-word obscenity was written in English on the inside cover of a Quran.

The findings, released after normal business hours Friday evening, are among the results of an investigation last month by Brig. Gen. Jay Hood, the commander of the detention center in Cuba, that was triggered by a Newsweek magazine report--later retracted--that a U.S. soldier had flushed one Guantanamo Bay detainee's Quran down a toilet.

The story stirred worldwide controversy and the Bush administration blamed it for deadly demonstrations in Afghanistan.

Hood said in a written statement released Friday evening, along with the new details, that his investigation "revealed a consistent, documented policy of respectful handling of the Quran dating back almost 2 1/2 years."

Hood said that of nine mishandling cases that were studied in detail by reviewing thousands of pages of written records, five were confirmed to have happened. He could not determine conclusively whether the four others took place.

In one of those four unconfirmed cases, a detainee in April 2003 complained to FBI and other interrogators that guards "constantly defile the Quran." The detainee alleged that in one instance a female military guard threw a Quran into a bag of wet towels to anger another detainee, and he also alleged that another guard said the Quran belonged in the toilet and that guards were ordered to do these things.

Hood said he found no other record of this detainee mentioning any Quran mishandling. The detainee has since been released.

In the most recent confirmed case, Hood said a detainee complained on March 25, 2005, of urine splashing on him and his Quran. An unidentified guard admitted at the time that "he was at fault," the Hood report said, although it did not say whether the act was deliberate. The guard's supervisor reprimanded him and assigned him to gate guard duty, where he had no contact with detainees for the remainder of his assignment at Guantanamo Bay.

As described in the Hood report, the guard had left his observation post and went outside to urinate. He urinated near an air vent and the wind blew his urine through the vent into the cell block. The incident was not further explained.

In another of the confirmed cases, a contract interrogator stepped on a detainee's Quran in July 2003 and then apologized. "The interrogator was later terminated for a pattern of unacceptable behavior, an inability to follow direct guidance and poor leadership," the Hood report said.

Hood also said his investigation found 15 cases of detainees mishandling their own Qurans. "These included using a Quran as a pillow, ripping pages out of the Quran, attempting to flush a Quran down the toilet and urinating on the Quran," Hood's report said. It offered no possible explanation for those alleged abuses.

In the most recent of those 15 cases, a detainee on Feb. 18, 2005, allegedly ripped up his Quran and handed it to a guard, stating that he had given up on being a Muslim. Several of the guards witnessed this, Hood reported.

Last week, Hood disclosed that he had confirmed five cases of mishandling of the Quran, but he refused to provide details. Allegations of Quran desecration at Guantanamo Bay have led to anti-American passions in many Muslim nations, although Pentagon officials have insisted that the problems were relatively minor and that U.S. commanders have gone to great lengths to enable detainees to practice their religion in captivity.

Hood said last week that he found no credible evidence that a Quran was ever flushed down a toilet. He said a prisoner who was reported to have complained to an FBI agent in 2002 that a military guard threw a Quran in the toilet has since told Hood's investigators that he never witnessed any form of Quran desecration.

Other prisoners who were returned to their home countries after serving time at Guantanamo Bay as terror suspects have alleged Quran desecration by U.S. guards, and some have said a Quran was placed in a toilet.

There are about 540 detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Some have been there more than three years without being charged with a crime. Most were captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002 and were sent to Guantanamo Bay in hope of extracting useful intelligence about the al-Qaida terrorist network.

Both President Bush and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld have denounced an Amnesty International report that called the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay "the gulag of our time."

The president told reporters at a press conference on Tuesday that the report by the human-rights group was "absurd."

On Wednesday, Rumsfeld called the characterization "reprehensible" and said the U.S. military had taken care to ensure that detainees were free to practice their religion. However, he also acknowledged that some detainees had been mistreated, even "grievously" at times.

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Re: The Old Late Friday Media Trick: Pentagon Admits Koran Abuse

Originally posted by PVS
water balloons thrown by prison guards caused an unspecified number of Qurans to get wet

Wow! I didn't realize how heinous this act was.
I've got a lot of work to do with locating a bunch of then-teenagers in my old neighborhood who unloaded a bunch of water balloons at me one time. I'm going to put them behind bars for good!

Re: Re: The Old Late Friday Media Trick: Pentagon Admits Koran Abuse

Originally posted by botankus
Wow! I didn't realize how heinous this act was.
I've got a lot of work to do with locating a bunch of then-teenagers in my old neighborhood who unloaded a bunch of water balloons at me one time. I'm going to put them behind bars for good!

so thats it? you pick that part and run with it? as if the only crime is throwing water balloons?

Being of no faith whatsoever.... It doesn't bother me.

I can see why others might be offended though. But its not really a crime in anyway.

The point was these acts were committed to antagonise and cause suffering to detainees who take the book seriously and it is unnaceptable behaviour for an army of a country who have specific guidelines in place and supposed standards to follow.

IMO if your a prisoner... for legal reasons... then you forfeit everything bar basic rights.

And as i said I can understand why they are upset, but its not a crime to do that stuff.

Re: Re: Re: The Old Late Friday Media Trick: Pentagon Admits Koran Abuse

Originally posted by PVS
so thats it? you pick that part and run with it? as if the only crime is throwing water balloons?

Alright, I confess. Guilty of selective reading as charged.

Does that mean that soldiers and other members of whatever level within armed forces are allowed to do whatever they like? No, that's the whole issue here, modern forces within modern countries who have treaties and guidelines have made rules to follow. Procedures governing all kinds of things and not in the least appropriate behaviour towards detainees or prisoners. Once guidelines like those are in place it says to the rest of the world that 'you' are a modern and fair country at least on the surface and that 'your' willing to go along with international treaties or ideals etc and if those are breached 'you' have to be held accountable.

Also, these cases can be tried within army courts as crimes depending on certain factors and jurisdictions but especially in this scenario there are international legal implications and punishments can be served.

Maybe I should correct that to basic human rights.

Atheist or not (although I am), you should respect those who choose to follow a religion, and as long as their rules do not change your lifestyle, accept them.

There was no need to defile the Quran, it was unnecessary. If they didn't want you to marry or something *hint hint*, then say "**** you" to their religion.

i cant believe some people who dont see this as a big deal,
yet if those guards took a shit on the rosarie it would be a whole different story wouldnt it? if they wiped their asses with pages from the bible there would be massive public outcry in america, wouldnt there? but who cares right? just a bunch of dirty muslems, so who cares.

racism

well which books have the best paper(softest) the one with the softest paper is the one I would use if I had to whipe my ass with only religious books at hand

If it was the bible I wouldn't care either.
I'm not being racist... I'm being indifferent.

for me they can use any religious books they want to whipe their asses

Originally posted by PVS
i cant believe some people who dont see this as a big deal,
yet if those guards took a shit on the rosarie it would be a whole different story wouldnt it? if they wiped their asses with pages from the bible there would be massive public outcry in america, wouldnt there? but who cares right? just a bunch of dirty muslems, so who cares.

Yes they would be pissed in America and Muslim countries would be indifferent.
Opposite situation, sounds like people from Muslim countries are pissed and America indifferent.

So what's the problem here?

the difference is we are not occupied by a muslem country.
there are no americans in state prisons of foreign countries subjected to this. so your comparrison is flawed and useless.

And America would force those countries to do something a lot more severe to the culprits.

The thing is, once again, is that a country who claims to take the moral high ground, should in fact, take the morale high ground.

Just because I don't believe in something does not give me the right to use those beliefs against someone.

Barring the insensitivity exhibited by those soldiers (who do in fact represent the United States to people of other countries) one has to wonder at the complete stupidity of doing that to an object so revered by entire nations of people and not expect ill feelings or consequential actions.

this type action regardless of the perpatrators or the defaced item (when said item is held in high esteem by another) is disgraceful..

Equally as awful is the media burying the story

Originally posted by PVS
i cant believe some people who dont see this as a big deal,
yet if those guards took a shit on the rosarie it would be a whole different story wouldnt it? if they wiped their asses with pages from the bible there would be massive public outcry in america, wouldnt there? but who cares right? just a bunch of dirty muslems, so who cares.

racism

Dont people wipe their ass with the bible in the middle east all the time? I see no public outcry, but now its the quaran and its all racist this, and that. Whatever, if it was the bible I wouldn't care either. I wonder if the guards had a competition who can soke the quaran the fastest. Gotta keep busy down there, I am sure beating the muslims and comitting such racist crimes everyday must get boring.