MACE WINDU: I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi

I just think that the whole downfall of the Jedi's lies with Anakin, and his turn to the dark side. If Anakin didn't turn, none of this would have happened. Windu would have killed palps, and order 66 would never have been given, and the empire would have been crushed before it even started.

So starting with the premise that Anakin is the cause of the Jedi's downfall, then where do we go from here?

Of course there are many things that led to his ultimate demise, and i'm sure all of them weigh in there somewhere. I'm just saying that like anything, we go to the biggest cause first. There are dozens of things we could say that helped, but his poor training was number 1.

Now don't forget, Windu says "No, he will not be trained... he's too old" and Yoda also says "the chosen one he may be, but grave danger I fear in his training"

Obi wan says " I will train the boy, without the councils permission if necessary"

Yoda again "Qui gons defiance I sense in you"...

Obi wan insists to train him and they VERY reluctantly agreed. So not only did Obi wan train someone that the council said would not be trained, but he didn't do a very good job of helping Anakin work through his feelings for his mother which sparked his problems to begin with.

It isn't all Obi wans fault of course. Many things could have happened, but I think he is at least the most to blame.

I disagree with Obi-Wan training him poorley. Obi-Wan trained him to be a very skillful Jedi. Where Obi-Wan failed was with is mental training... That is what I can agree with.

Then again Anakin had a sith lord egging him on... lol

Mental training is all they require. Knowledge, experience, and learning to deal with the transition from a normal life, to basically a cyborg with no feelings or connections of any kind.

That is why Obi wan failed. Yes he trained him very well in the force, and fighting. The two of them are legendary in the clone wars. The two most famous Jedi's of all during that time period. But obi wan didn't focus nearly enough on the part that actually mattered.

I think he just flat out forgot that Anakin was far to old to begin with. Obi trained him as if he was a youngling, and then his padawan. He forgot that Anakin had an entire other life before he started to be a jedi, and that is what messed him up...

OOPS 🙂

Your last paragraph does make sense. Obi-wan forgets because from his bio in the SW Databank, he's trainined as a Jedi all his life... So he does not know what life is like outside of that... Come together now, it all does.

Remember that Obi Wan only took Anakin as a Padawan because it was Qui Gon's dying wish. Obi Wan was as skeptical as the council but he obeyed his masters last order.

the jedi suck the sith rule!!!!!!!!!!! they got lighting powers

B-Dan... after that post, it is confirmed you are an absolute moron...

Shame, this thread was going along quite nicely.

Originally posted by koolruningz
Remember that Obi Wan only took Anakin as a Padawan because it was Qui Gon's dying wish. Obi Wan was as skeptical as the council but he obeyed his masters last order.

Wait... He'd obey his master but not the council (as he was planning on it if he didn't get thier blessing), isn't that against rules defying the council?

I honestly dont know mate. I guess a dying Jedi's wish outranks the council on this one, or else we would have seen Yoda smack Obi Wan down for defying the council.

I honestly think it's the worst part of the movie when Mace says that. You'd think something like that would spark a little more emotion don't you think? Thats like saying "I think someones going to kill my whole family.......oh well."

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Exactly my point...... The Dark Side Clouds everything, but finding out the destruction of the Jedi Order. I think something should have been done...

Then again they were attacked by "Surprise"

Originally posted by DenKi
Because the Jedi are Stupid and stick to there Old Jedi Ways While the Sith have moved on, QuiGon was the only Jedi to crarry out the New ways and not be on a stupid Political Jedi Council, lol

Read the books you have mmmm GOOD, but beware the EU for corrupt your vision it will...

Doesn't Yoda's statement in II " The shroud of the Dark Side has fallen...hard to see the future is..."

explain why the Jedi could not predict how bad things would get? Does it also explain why Force sensitive Jedi could not tell that over a thousand Troops all around them all of a sudden posed a threat?

🙁 Goodbye Aayla...I hardly knew ya...jedi

I am sure they sensed it once they approached... But not before... I am sure they sensed anakin arraving too. Being so strong in the force, how could you not sense him...

Originally posted by ShadowKing
Doesn't Yoda's statement in II " The shroud of the Dark Side has fallen...hard to see the future is..."

explain why the Jedi could not predict how bad things would get? Does it also explain why Force sensitive Jedi could not tell that over a thousand Troops all around them all of a sudden posed a threat?

🙁 Goodbye Aayla...I hardly knew ya...jedi

"And the clones have no malice, no hatred, nor the slightest ill intent that might give warning. They are only following orders"

ARE U KIDDING ME/ READ THE DARN BOOK U LAZY SOB, IF U ARE SUCH A BIG FAN THE U SHOULD HAVE READ BOOK ALREADY! THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THEY WERE PLANNING ON SIDS EXPOSING HIMSELF KNUCKLEHEAD! JEEEZ, U COME HERE INSTEAD OF LOOKING UR SELF TO KNOW ALL THE ANGLES, IF U CANT READ I APOLOGISE, BUT SEEING AS HOW UR HERE WEEL THEN U SHOULD READ ALL OF U THAT SAID THAT BS! DARN KIDDS, TICK ME OFF, JUST GO PLAY THE VIDEO GAME OF THE MOVIE AND BE HAPPY OR TICKED I DONT CARE.

HEY GARB I DONT MEAN U BUD AT LEAST U READ IT 😉

Qui Gon, he was going to train Anakin regardless of what the council said.

Anakin's traumatic life should serve as a lesson and chance to refelect for the Jedi. Perhaps their way of life is wrong. Perhaps isloating yourself from "normal" life is not helpful. Perhaps abstaining from love between male and female, and not having someone to truly love has affected their judgment on Anakin.

In the EU, Luke is married to someone whilst he is a Jedi. According to the old ways, this would exclude Luke from any Jedi COuncil. Yet, he is the grand master of the new Jedi order... In my opinion, the old Jedi Order (in the PT) is fundamentally flawed with respect to these points...