He faught Loki personally and he faught the hologram. It's right here in front of me.
Strange was so inexperienced he didn't know if Thor or Loki were evil, he didn't even know who they were.
Also, he had only been training in the mystic arts for less than 5 years, he didn't have the authentic Eye of Aggamotto or any spells to invoke higher gods (aggamotto eternity ect.).
All he had was his cape and a few spells(he had no book of vishanti) he wasn't even the Sorcerer Supreme yet.
Loki stalemated, and finally beat a young unexperienced Strange.
Who has more experience is hard to tell, Loki has been around for thousands of years, but so has Strange.
Strange spent many thousand years fighting in the 7 sphere war, against beings on par with Loki himself, add that to all the thousands of years experience The Ageless one gave to Strange when Strange became SS, Strange is more likely more experienced in magic than Loki.
Part of being Sorcerer Supreme is being allowed to invoke the power of Gods, only Strange and a few others can.
Loki can't invoke anyone whatsoever, he is limited to only his inheret magic.[/bias]
Ok, now that's over......I can say that Loki might could take Strange if it was a head to head battle where he had no prep or no idea who he was fighting.
More likely a stalemate.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Agreed longpig. Strange might pull out a win, but most likely a stalemate...and it would depend on the circumstances. More prep would favor Strange most likely.But now I'm aware that Loki can create holograms. Hehe...thanks for making this thread.
-DM
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
The Eye of Agomotto pierces any illusion. Strange would own Loki.
Own is going a bit too far. Loki is a still a god-sorceror with centuries of experience. I think we're falling in love with Strange a bit too much here. Even if Strange wins this fight, it would take time, and Loki would put up a helluva fight.
Besides, I'm not planning on using illusions against "Big Sexy" (longpig's amalgam). But it's a nice trick to have up my sleeve anyway. I got bigger and more nefarious plans for lp (smiles evilly).
-DM
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Own is going a bit too far. Loki is a still a god-sorceror with centuries of experience. I think we're falling in love with Strange a bit too much here. Even if Strange wins this fight, it would take time, and Loki would put up a helluva fight.Besides, I'm not planning on using illusions against "Big Sexy" (longpig's amalgam). But it's a nice trick to have up my sleeve anyway. I got bigger and more nefarious plans for lp (smiles evilly).
-DM
Loki cannot match the power of the Vishanti, Agomotto, Cyttorak, Wattomb, and the host of other entites Strange can invoke. His best bet is summoning Dormammu, and that isn't enough.
Loki's magic isn't even innate. He's not a born god; he's a dwarf Frost Giant. The only reason he presents such a problem to the likes of Thor is that he uses Asgardian magic. If it weren't for Odin, he'd be nothing but a good stage magician/prankster.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I'm sure all high level sorcs can do that. Doom has used the crimson bands hasn't he?
Yeah, I'm definite that most experienced sorcerers can call on the higher dieties... In "Triumph and Torment", Strange mentioned to the sorcerers in the battle "No point in calling on the Vishanti for help, it's their power that were fighting" or something similar. Now, whether a deity like Loki can call on another deity for help is another matter.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I'm sure all high level sorcs can do that. Doom has used the crimson bands hasn't he?
Only the privledged few can call upon the vishanti and eternity and the real big dogs, very few.
Others can try(like doom) but they will either fail to some extent, or the god won't grant them the power.
As for Loki being a god, it's true, but means little.
Because Strange has been called "a god, all but by blood", he has the whole immortality deal and all.
He can't die permanently unless he feels he should, via Eternity's deal with him.
Does he even have the Cloak of Levitation back then?
I wonder if he can invoke other deities. I mean, if he's leeching off of Odin's power, he already is using someone else's power in his magic. I think it kinda depends on if his power source is exhaustible or not. The great mystical deities generate their own power, and decide whether someone else can or cannot use it. So say Strange invokes the Vishanti. I don't see why Loki couldn't call for power from Dormammu, Mephisto, Satannish, Shuma Gorath, etc.
BTW, hasn't Loki been shown giving some of his power to Thor? Was that magic or just strength?