Originally posted by Dresta
Anakin is dumb thats why he lost but he's still more powerful than obi.
Nope, Anakin had a lot more potential, but he didn't fulfill it. Obi wan was stronger, and the movie showed that.
Force powers - Equal
Saber skills - Equal
knowledge and experience - Obi wan
And lets face it, that is the trait that seperates Jedi's. Potential means nothing if you never learned to control yourself. It's like anything in life really, even the ones with the most potential still have to work their ass off to be the best.
(since i'm a golfer) Tiger woods has the most raw potential of any golfer, but he also works as hard as anyone else. That is why he is the best. If he never practised, no amount of raw talent could make up for the lack of effort.
Same as Anakin. Most potential of any Jedi ever, but he didn't train it properly, and didn't train for long enough. So he isn't nearly as good as he should be, and other Jedi's are stronger then him, such as Obi wan...
All the saber fights were overdone in the PT to be honest.
I really enjoyed the Mace vs Palpatine fight the most, it seemed to have the most combat-like moves going on.
Obi-Wan vs Anakin was fun, but I dunno about everyone else, but there was a few bits where I just saw a blur. I thought it was slightly annoying, because I like to catch every move, but sometimes it was just too fast for no real good reason, and it would just flash by, without any meaning or purpose.
Nick Gillard critices the OT for havng crap fights, but they look more like FIGHTS, rather than elaborate dances, all too obviously choreogrpahed to perfection.
Some poeple like that, but I grew up watching the raw intensity of Vader vs Luke in ESB, and that is what I personally prefer. It's my own bias which makes me think that, but that's how I think a Star Wars duel should be.
To me a Star Wars duel is an emotional STORY, with a saber fight going on in the background. I couldn't honestly give a rats ass if the choreography was lame, sometimes it makes it seem more real.
Originally posted by Red SuperflyYes, but as George Lucas stated himself, in the OT you had a 60 yr. old man facing a half man half machine, and a 20 yr. old boy who isn't trained enought facing a half man half machine so of course those fights aren't going to be anything compared to Jedi fighting back in the glory days.
All the saber fights were overdone in the PT to be honest.I really enjoyed the Mace vs Palpatine fight the most, it seemed to have the most combat-like moves going on.
Obi-Wan vs Anakin was fun, but I dunno about everyone else, but there was a few bits where I just saw a blur. I thought it was slightly annoying, because I like to catch every move, but sometimes it was just too fast for no real good reason, and it would just flash by, without any meaning or purpose.
Nick Gillard critices the OT for havng crap fights, but they look more like FIGHTS, rather than elaborate dances, all too obviously choreogrpahed to perfection.
Some poeple like that, but I grew up watching the raw intensity of Vader vs Luke in ESB, and that is what I personally prefer. It's my own bias which makes me think that, but that's how I think a Star Wars duel should be.
To me a Star Wars duel is an emotional STORY, with a saber fight going on in the background. I couldn't honestly give a rats ass if the choreography was lame, sometimes it makes it seem more real.
Originally posted by cal31
Yes, but as George Lucas stated himself, in the OT you had a 60 yr. old man facing a half man half machine, and a 20 yr. old boy who isn't trained enought facing a half man half machine so of course those fights aren't going to be anything compared to Jedi fighting back in the glory days.
No. Back in those days, they didn't have the money to do so.
If Star Wars Episode IV was made TODAY, Vader and Ben would be flipping, spinning and dancing around just as much as they do in Episode III.
Vader being a machine man has NOTHING to do with it. Lucas pulled that one out of his ass.
Greivous is a machine. In fact he's more machine. If Episode IV was made today, Vader would move with all the grace of Grievous, easily. As it stands, Lucas comes up with half-baked rationales as to why he doesn't move lightning fast.
He would have done better to just say "He doesn't need to move fast against an old man and a jedi apprentice, he's too powerful".
Vader is physically more powerful in the suit, and in theory should be as nimble as Grievous - why wouldn't he be? It's just that he never needs to move that quick, so that's why he doesn't.
All I'm saying is, if Star Wars was made now, Vader would be the ultimate killing machine. He's essentially Grievous but with great force powers. Him being part machine would make him damn near unstoppable against anyone apart from Palpatine.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Overdone lightsaber duel...
Originally posted by Red Superfly
Saber spinning? What use is that? Confuse the opponent? Riiiight.Where's Indiana Jones when you need him?
Riiiight yes. Chinese martial arts use a lot of fancy shit just to distract the opponent. It makes sense, do some fancy spinnin' with your saber and while the other guy is dazzled by the light show, shank em...
Again, Anakin was the strongest person in RotS. In the movie he said that he was powerful enough to overthrow Palpatine and in the book Mace Windu says that Anakin is arguably the most powerful jedi ever. Anakin lost to Obi because Obi knew all his moves and Anakin was too cocky. If you notice in the duel Anakin is in control of the fighting 8/10 times, it is usually Obi who is on the defensive.
Originally posted by ShotgunWes
If you notice in the duel Anakin is in control of the fighting 8/10 times, it is usually Obi who is on the defensive.
Originally posted by Red Superfly
Where's Indiana Jones when you need him?
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
That's Obi-wan's style though. He's a defensive duelist, waiting for his opening.*BAM*
yeah apparantly obi changed his style after seeing qui-gon get killed because he used to hav the same style as qui-gon but after he died obi went all defensive. otherwise he would noe have beaten anakin.
Originally posted by Red SuperflyGrevious was almost all machine which made him so quick, Vader still has a large portion of his body still being human so he is slow and lumbering. His legs are still moving, it's just his calves that are machine so that wouldn't make him any faster, he could jump higher though. I mean, did you see Vader once he got off the operation table? He sure as hell didn't look like he was ready to do a back flip, he was stumbling around. So that point is irrelevant since they show him slow and stumbling in EP III even when they have tons of money. None of the lightsaber battles in the OT should be faster because none of the combatants could move faster.
No. Back in those days, they didn't have the money to do so.If Star Wars Episode IV was made TODAY, Vader and Ben would be flipping, spinning and dancing around just as much as they do in Episode III.
Vader being a machine man has NOTHING to do with it. Lucas pulled that one out of his ass.
Greivous is a machine. In fact he's more machine. If Episode IV was made today, Vader would move with all the grace of Grievous, easily. As it stands, Lucas comes up with half-baked rationales as to why he doesn't move lightning fast.
He would have done better to just say "He doesn't need to move fast against an old man and a jedi apprentice, he's too powerful".
Vader is physically more powerful in the suit, and in theory should be as nimble as Grievous - why wouldn't he be? It's just that he never needs to move that quick, so that's why he doesn't.
All I'm saying is, if Star Wars was made now, Vader would be the ultimate killing machine. He's essentially Grievous but with great force powers. Him being part machine would make him damn near unstoppable against anyone apart from Palpatine.