Darth Vader vs Superman

Wow! I just don't know what to say. This thread is so full of ignorance. You guys are so wrong. If right were a country, you'd all be on the edge of the milky way. Where to begin?

First of all, Vader is alot faster than any of you think. He has force speed, which augments all of his movements, to the point of allowing him to move at speeds above the speed of light. Proof? We see him and many other Jedi able to deflect lazers all of the time on all sides. And lazers, by definition, are as fast as the speed of light. Superman rarely even moves at the speed of sound. He wouldn't know what hit him.

Secondly, the lightsaber would more than easily cut through Superman. Are any of you aware that blast doors and blasters are in the range of gigatons and megatons in the starwars universe. A blast door itself is around 1000 megatons or gigatons, yet in Episode 1, we see quigon easily piercing through one with his lightsaber. Whereas in Kingdom Come, we see superman draw blood from a friggin sword. Sliced, diced, filletted. Superman would be dead meat.

Third, the force would work on Supes. We have the remember that the force has the nearly the same properties of magic, which has costed Superman many battles. He is always beaten by magic. Heck, Vader wouldn't even have to be in the same room to beat Superman.

He could force choke him in the comfort of his favorite chair, with Superman in his sites, via holo net, just as he had done in the empire strikes back.

Lastly, Jedi are able to see into the future. Vader would have predicted the fight, thus would already be prepared. He'd just seen an armada to earth, and capture lois lane. Or he'd have Boba fett steal a kryptonite shard, and have him bring Superman's head back on a platter

Vader would destroy Superman, easily.

Woohoo! Dark-Kenshin is right!

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Wow! I just don't know what to say. This thread is so full of ignorance. You guys are so wrong. If right were a country, you'd all be on the edge of the milky way. Where to begin?

First of all, Vader is alot faster than any of you think. He has force speed, which augments all of his movements, to the point of allowing him to move at speeds above the speed of light. Proof? We see him and many other Jedi able to deflect lazers all of the time on all sides. And lazers, by definition, are as fast as the speed of light. Superman rarely even moves at the speed of sound. He wouldn't know what hit him.

Secondly, the lightsaber would more than easily cut through Superman. Are any of you aware that blast doors and blasters are in the range of gigatons and megatons in the starwars universe. A blast door itself is around 1000 megatons or gigatons, yet in Episode 1, we see quigon easily piercing through one with his lightsaber. Whereas in Kingdom Come, we see superman draw blood from a friggin sword. Sliced, diced, filletted. Superman would be dead meat.

Third, the force would work on Supes. We have the remember that the force has the nearly the same properties of magic, which has costed Superman many battles. He is always beaten by magic. Heck, Vader wouldn't even have to be in the same room to beat Superman.

He could force choke him in the comfort of his favorite chair, with Superman in his sites, via holo net, just as he had done in the empire strikes back.

Lastly, Jedi are able to see into the future. Vader would have predicted the fight, thus would already be prepared. He'd just seen an armada to earth, and capture lois lane. Or he'd have Boba fett steal a kryptonite shard, and have him bring Superman's head back on a platter

Vader would destroy Superman, easily.

1. That's silly. If jedi were able to move like that they would almost impossible to take down. Remember Mace Windu who took a strike force to Geonosis with 200 jedi, they got pwned by the droids. If they all could move in the speed of light they would win with no casualities. We have seen force speed been used by Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan once, and that was for like 2 seconds.
Vader has a mechanical body, he would not be able to enhance his body with such speed. In "Rise of Darth Vader" he had trouble raising his hands above his head, and he had trouble walking in the beginning. He was a slow machine, face it.
The reason that jedi can deflect laser is because.

They have precog, they sense where they are shooting.
The laser might not move as fast in Star Wars as we think it does.

2. I agree, Superman can doubtedly resist a lightsabre, Darth could cut through him.

3. Hmm, I think I agree too. The force is like a magic, yes, but Superman can breath in space, would he need to breath really?

4. He can not predict how the fight will end or exactly everything that will happend. This is not "Vader in the Star Wars universe with the Empire vs Superman", it's just Superman vs Vader.

I think Vader has a chance yes, but that big, no.
And spare it with the insults.

Another match that has no characters that originated in a game. Oh well.

To clear up the sword slicing him thing . The sword was Magical that can cut through atoms. Thats how he was able to bleed.

Kamikz i agree with you 😛

🙂

1. They got pwned by the droids, because not all of them could tap into the force so much as to move at speeds that greatly exceed the speed of light. They were pwned by blaster fire, which moves at the speed of light. It was multiple shots from all sides. It's usually only the jedi knights or masters that can block blaster fire on nearly on sides. Vader would be able to enhance his body, with the force. He has been shown to block blaster fire in that mechanical suit, so he still has access to speeds above light. Also, Luke was shown to deflect blaster fire at mastery level, yet Vader was still able to put up a good fight against him, and parry most of his blows.

It's true that Jedi are able to anticipate shots(force sight), but anticipating shots within one second is useless. And that's where force speed comes in. Lazers not moving at the speed of light in the SW universe is pure speculation. According to the actual definion, they do move at that speed. And seeing as how Jedi are able to deflect lazer fire on all sides, that would have to mean that they are exceedingly faster than the speed of light.

2. Glad you aren't a fanboy.

3. Wouldn't matter. When magic, or something with the property of magic is introduced, Superman has no invulnerability against it.

4. Vader saw into the future during ROTS,where he new padme would die. He had also gazed into the future during ROTJ. Superman could come flying in at his fastest, but Vader would still be prepared.

"To clear up the sword slicing him thing . The sword was Magical that can cut through atoms. Thats how he was able to bleed.-Black Adam"

The force has the properties of magic. And considering that we know that a lightsaber is far more potent than a mere sword, Supes would be slain.

Which Darth Vader is it? The SW Battlefront II Vader or the SW Galaxies Vader?

Superman. I've never come across any evidence to suggest that Vader could reach anything remotely close to light speed. The force grants a Jedi with a certain amount of precognition which is how they are always able to reach a defensive position when shot at. For example I'm not faster than a bullet, yet if I have prior knowledge of where my attacker is aiming and when he's going to shoot I could probably dodge or defend myself.

Secondly even if Vader was capable of these speeds his mind works at a normal human speed. Superman can move at speeds faster than human thought so by the time Vader's begun to concentrate his force ability Superman's already hit him in the face with a force that could pulverize a mountain.

Third Superman has resisted attempts to take over his mind by high level psychics. The force can only influence people and the more extreme the request, the more likely it will be rejected.

Lastly, yes the light saber could probably cut through Superman. Unfortunately for Vader he'll be dead before he can turn it on.

Lord Ryugen, your post betrays itself. Sure, lets say Vader can't move at the speed of light, and that his blaster deflection is simply precognition. Just how would Superman use his speed to take out Vader, if he can predict all of his movements. Face it, Vader can deflect blaster bolts coming in at all sides, so how would Superman, being just one moving person do any better? No matter what direction he came from, Vader could just cut him in half with ease. By the way, Superman moves at 99% the speed of light. Heck, he rarely moves at the speed of light. Not even the speed of sound. We've seen magic wielders such as faust defeat him with ease. Someone who doesn't have Superspeed or Super strength. To how you still think Vader would lose, is beyond me.

Also, the mind trick depends of how great the user's mastery of the force is. It's a comparison of minds. Any high level psychic may have the abilties of mind blasting(ex. jean grey), but that doesn't mean that the mind itself is superior. We've seen Superman fall to many gambits, while being naive in the past. That, is considered being weak minded. Besides that, even if the jedi mind trick didn't work on supes, it wouldn't mean that the force powers would not. The force is/(or is powered) by the universe itself. Whereas Superman is merely powered by the sun. The universe is greater than the Sun last time I checked.

PS: Vader's mind is far above human. You forget that he is part machine, and that he is influenced by the force, making him far above normal. Why do you think the Jedi are always appointed the position of a general, during a war or battle?

Superman heat visions him to death.

supse wins.

hang on.......this thread hs gone on 10 pages????? OMG, it must have taken one heluva darth fanboy to keep this up. superman beats
superman is stronger, faster, has heat vision, has over 1000 years of experience. he could burn vader to a crisp in a matter of miliseconds.
superman>vader..............no contest.

Well as soon as the match starts then Superman vibrates intangible, then Supes speedblitzes (he has sub-light speed) in the air and heatblasts Vader from above many times before Vader even moves.

Like I have posted before,

1) INTANGIBLE
2) SPEEDBLITZ
3) HORRID HEAT VISION, DEATH FROM ABOVE

I feel sorry for Vader. He cannot match sub-light speeds or vibrate intangible. He is to versitile for Vader to defeat. This match is over in seconds. Actually its over before vader even thinks.

Oh and all the above stated feats are post not pre.

Dark I'm not quoting your post since it's too large but this is in response is for you. Firstly I don't see any part of my post that contradicts itself. My argument with the precog was simply to point out that Vader can not move as fast as you claimed. Unfortunately for him Superman can move at super sonic and sublight speeds, he rarely does it because he's afraid of the damage he'd cause but since the battle field was never specified its perfectly reasonable for me to assume they're in a place where Supes doesn't have to worry about collateral damage. Now yes Vader would see the attack through precog but could he defend against it, Superman has proven he can move faster than thought. In other words before Vader can move his hand he's been hit. And even if he could try to block with the force or his lightsaber Supes could could just stop or fly past him and let the shockwave he created when he passed the sound barrier knock vader on his ass then finish him off.

Concerning the mind trick, it's been stated that it only works on the weak minded. Superman has one of the strongest wills in DC, attempting to influence him would be a big mistake on Vaders part. Superman does fall for tricks by people like Brainiac or Lex Luthor but then again just about everybody does, that doesn't represent a weak mind it just means the other guy's smarter than you.

Concerning the force, yes it probably would get past Supes bio-field but the problem is it can't do it automatically, it needs to be weilded by someone and I've never seen evidence that Vader despite his implants or connection to the force can move that fast. Like most Superman threads it comes down to speed, with the force Vader has the means but he's not fast enough to stop a speed blitz.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
1. They got pwned by the droids, because not all of them could tap into the force so much as to move at speeds that greatly exceed the speed of light. They were pwned by blaster fire, which moves at the speed of light. It was multiple shots from all sides. It's usually only the jedi knights or masters that can block blaster fire on nearly on sides. Vader would be able to enhance his body, with the force. He has been shown to block blaster fire in that mechanical suit, so he still has access to speeds above light. Also, Luke was shown to deflect blaster fire at mastery level, yet Vader was still able to put up a good fight against him, and parry most of his blows.

It's true that Jedi are able to anticipate shots(force sight), but anticipating shots within one second is useless. And that's where force speed comes in. Lazers not moving at the speed of light in the SW universe is pure speculation. According to the actual definion, they do move at that speed. And seeing as how Jedi are able to deflect lazer fire on all sides, that would have to mean that they are exceedingly faster than the speed of light.

2. Glad you aren't a fanboy.

3. Wouldn't matter. When magic, or something with the property of magic is introduced, Superman has no invulnerability against it.

4. Vader saw into the future during ROTS,where he new padme would die. He had also gazed into the future during ROTJ. Superman could come flying in at his fastest, but Vader would still be prepared.

"To clear up the sword slicing him thing . The sword was Magical that can cut through atoms. Thats how he was able to bleed.-Black Adam"

The force has the properties of magic. And considering that we know that a lightsaber is far more potent than a mere sword, Supes would be slain.

1. Would a jedi be able to move in light speed they would not have gotten themselfs in a situation where they were surrouned. Heck, they could all run up to Dooku and slaughter him. And since when does the jedi have to move in speed of light because they deflect laser? The Starships dodge laser blasts, do they move in speed of light? Oh cause I thought that was what they used light speed configuration for.
And have you ever considered that it might be the suit protecting him from Han's blaster fire? It was made as the best armour available.
And Vader is almost 80% Robot, he should not be able to enhance anything but his head and partly his body.

2. I shoulden't be the one considerd a fanboy in here anyway.

3. The force is not magic, it lives in everything in the universe, so then every living creature is magic. It is like magic when a jedi manipulates it with midichlorians, but it's not magic.
And the thing is that force choke/grip is used to prevent the enemy from breathing, or crushing his throat, that's it. I mean, if there was someone who could create water with magic, would you say that, "Superman will be hurt by the water since it's created by magic"?

4. Yes but he didn't know how she was going to die, and he struggled all the time to prevent it, but it turned out to be he who caused it. (Plus he only sensed that when he was asleep, through nightmares). Did he see every strike that Luke made long before it happend?

And supers loose to some bad guys only because his main goal is to capture them, not kill them. He could punch a guys head off if he wanted too. He could burn up Vader's lightsaber from far away or just go superfast and punch through Vader's stomach.

Originally posted by Lord Ryugen
Dark I'm not quoting your post since it's too large but this is in response is for you. Firstly I don't see any part of my post that contradicts itself. My argument with the precog was simply to point out that Vader can not move as fast as you claimed. Unfortunately for him Superman can move at super sonic and sublight speeds, he rarely does it because he's afraid of the damage he'd cause but since the battle field was never specified its perfectly reasonable for me to assume they're in a place where Supes doesn't have to worry about collateral damage. Now yes Vader would see the attack through precog but could he defend against it, Superman has proven he can move faster than thought. In other words before Vader can move his hand he's been hit. And even if he could try to block with the force or his lightsaber Supes could could just stop or fly past him and let the shockwave he created when he passed the sound barrier knock vader on his ass then finish him off.

Concerning the mind trick, it's been stated that it only works on the weak minded. Superman has one of the strongest wills in DC, attempting to influence him would be a big mistake on Vaders part. Superman does fall for tricks by people like Brainiac or Lex Luthor but then again just about everybody does, that doesn't represent a weak mind it just means the other guy's smarter than you.

Concerning the force, yes it probably would get past Supes bio-field but the problem is it can't do it automatically, it needs to be weilded by someone and I've never seen evidence that Vader despite his implants or connection to the force can move that fast. Like most Superman threads it comes down to speed, with the force Vader has the means but he's not fast enough to stop a speed blitz.

Your post does contradict itself in a way. You stated that if you have prior knowledge to where and how you're going to be shot at, you can defend yourself. So how different would this be, in this confrontation with Vader and Supes? By the way, the Jedi knight series was always specifically illustrated for the Jedi to be able to tap into force speed, and be able to watch the blaster bolts come at you in slow motion. Vader either moves at the speed of light, or he is able to slow down time enough to the point of being able to avoid projectiles coming in at him at light speed. Superman would just seem like a turtle approaching him. Either way, Vader has Supes beat in this, due to Jedi relying on tactics far more than Brute force. And this info about being faster than though seems irrelevant. Blaster bolts are faster than thought, yet we see the most powerful of jedi being able to deflect those on all sides. Shockwaves would be useless. Vader could more than easily counter that with Force push.

Concerning what you had to say about the mind trick, it's a comparison of minds. When the term weak minded is used, it's really comparing the mind of the wielder to the mind of the target. Superman can resist psychic blast, but those really don't determine that actual power of the mind. And if Superman's mind is so powerful, why is it that poison ivy had him under her control during Hush? Even Batman has been able to resist her charms, and he is just an ordinary human in comparison. Another thing about Supe's will power, there is a force power called battle meditation. It decreases the will of it's target, while increasing the will of it's wielder. Vader could just use that, and then proceed with a mind trick, if Superman were really able to resist mind tircks.

As for the point made about the force, like you agree, Vader can predict nearly all movements, thus be prepared. If I recall correctly, Batman has been able to defeat Superman with preparation on short notice many times. So why wouldn't Vader be able to do the same? Another important fact is that Batman had thorougly pointed out Superman's real weakness during hush. It's that he holds back too much. Which is why he wouldn't stand a chance against Vader. Zod vs Vader would be a better fight, because he is always willing to use excessive force. But Kalel wouldn't stand a chance.

1. The blaster bolts move at lightspeed as well, and most of those jedi were merely padawans. The star ships don't dodge lazer blast. It's only poor aim that makes the ships capable of evasion. Those automatic turrets almost always take down star ships, due to it's firing mechanism not being controlled by a human.

According to such logic, Vader shouldn't be able to use any force powers. Yet he does anyway. If he can use force grip without a real hand, he can certainly use force speed.

2. And you're not. It's just that most people here have argued over who they like more, rather than actually taking time to think about this.

3. The force isn't magic. When did I say that? I said it had the same properties. And yes, I would say that Superman would more than likely be hurt by this "magic" water, if used against him. Supes is supposed to be invulnerable to fire, yet we see faust fry him with fire blast. We've even seen Entrigan knock him across the planet, being that he is magical. Speaking of such things, the thought just occured to me. Vader could just fry Superman with force lightning. In the animated series, we saw liverwire nearly kill Superman with electric bolts. Now just think of what would happen, if force divined lightning were used on him.

Is it not possible that he could have a dream about Superman wanting to fly in at his fastest. And considering that he had trained under sidious for more years, his ability to see into the future should have improved. Heck, Sidious had stated in Episode 6 that he had forseen Luke arriving on Endor. Vader is more powerful than Sidious, so shouldn't he be able to predict Sueprman's arrival?

How would he burn the lightsaber? Oh, and just clear it up for whoever had stated this, Superman's heat vision doesn't move at light speed. It's called heat vision, not lazer vision. Anyway, the heat vision has shown limits, whereas the lightsaber has not. And Superman doesn't kill. What kind of Superman fan are you? Superman's intentions would be to subdue Vader(which he wouldn't be able to do), not kill him(which he still wouldn't be able to do).

Well according to forum rules all characters are bloodlusted no PIS or CIS. Supes wins this easily.

Supes can vibrate himslef intangible. Oh he can vibrate invisible too. In hunter/prey Supes took on a blast as powerful as one million nukes at ground zero. He can resist the pull of a black hole and survive going into one.

What does Vader got that can generate a blast greater than one million nukes or that has a crushing force of a black hole?

This is against forum rules; closing.