Originally posted by jaden101
i know you love your conspiracy theories but please...dont talk rot
im not...maybe you should look into these things..and stop talkin rot😕 yourself
its not a conspiracy really if you look into it and stop believing what the the politicians and newspapers tell you, like everyone else does..human race is a goddamn herd..get back in line sheep!harrold2
'even if your in a minority of one,the truth is still the truth'
check this video out http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/alex_jones_-_martial_law_911__2_of_3_.wmv
Originally posted by Deano
im not...maybe you should look into these things..and stop talkin rot😕 yourself
its not a conspiracy really if you look into it and stop believing what the the politicians and newspapers tell you, like everyone else does..human race is a goddamn herd..get back in line sheep!harrold2'even if your in a minority of one,the truth is still the truth'
check this video out http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/alex_jones_-_martial_law_911__2_of_3_.wmv
i dont take any of what the media says at face value...on the contrary i do alot of research into topics im interested in...but the simple fact is that conspiracy theories are and will remain trash until some kind of proof emerges... so where is the proof that 9/11 was all staged by the US and by Bush's administration?
given that ive done a little investigation into the group known to intelligence agencies throughout the world as "the hamburg cell" and which was planning the 911 attacks since 1993 and who operated out of Germany
does these facts mean that the German government were part of the conspiracy because they knew about the islamic extremism being preached at the university of hamburg yet they did nothing
are the UK government also involved after all they were the ones who helped gather intelligence and reported a specific threat the US well in advance of the attack
and where would the benefit of a tightening of civil liberties come to a democratically elected government who could easily be turfed out on their collective ass if they pissed off their public
or does this mean you are going to propose that before the next US election, Bush is going to declare an end to democracy and install himself as emperor of the world
Originally posted by jaden101
i dont take any of what the media says at face value...on the contrary i do alot of research into topics im interested in...but the simple fact is that conspiracy theories are and will remain trash until some kind of proof emerges... so where is the proof that 9/11 was all staged by the US and by Bush's administration?given that ive done a little investigation into the group known to intelligence agencies throughout the world as "the hamburg cell" and which was planning the 911 attacks since 1993 and who operated out of Germany
does these facts mean that the German government were part of the conspiracy because they knew about the islamic extremism being preached at the university of hamburg yet they did nothing
are the UK government also involved after all they were the ones who helped gather intelligence and reported a specific threat the US well in advance of the attack
and where would the benefit of a tightening of civil liberties come to a democratically elected government who could easily be turfed out on their collective ass if they pissed off their public
or does this mean you are going to propose that before the next US election, Bush is going to declare an end to democracy and install himself as emperor of the world
why dont you watch the video i posted and judge for yourself
there is a lot of proof in there..i think you will be quite surprised
you are very quick to dismiss
Originally posted by jaden101
its taking an age to download for some reason...88 megs is quite a bit but i will...dont worrythe problem being ive already seen loads of ridiculous fakes of supposed missles hitting the wtc just as the planes did and other such nonsense...i hope your vid isnt more of the same
it makes a lot of sense..really it does
its on for about 45 minutes but it is really worth seeing
it never mentions anythin about missiles hitting the building..but it does mention bombs going off in the building...firefighters reported this and were told to keep quiet..the media never reported this(controlled media)
comon though..the steel building in madrid was on fire for a couple of days and didnt collapse....twin towers has minimal amounts of fire..crashes to the ground within an hour..even though the towers are meant to withstand fire and planes...thats very strange if you ask me..and people are so afraid to face the real truth
Every building is different.
If I am not mistaken there was substaintial CONCRETE supports in the Madrid building that you talk of. Concrete is much better at withstanding fire than Steel.
Also the TT were designed to cope with the collision of a plane, but a smaller plane than those which hit.
Moreover, with Steel the fire-proofing is critical. The explosion wave caused when the planes hit probably dislodged the spray on fire-proofing. After all the spray-on stuff is designed to cope with fire, not shock-waves.
I would not decribe the fires caused by fully fueled aeroplanes as "minimal!"
Once the fire causes one steel column, beam or most importantly CONNECTIONS (weakest parts) to lose their rigidity, the weight of the buildings must be carried by the rest. Bear in mind steel conducts heat rather well so, in the unlikely event of the fires hardly spreading, the effects of the fire would have been transferred, to an extent, through the steel.
Steel is not like timber, it does not turn to charcoal and remain standing for hours. With the effectiveness of the fire-proofing reduced by the impact/blast it is entirely likely that the buildings would collapse after 40-50 mins.
ive started to watch it and im going to confront it in sections
first off..the guy who heckles rudolf guilliani says that it was the american government that trained al queda...this is not some big conspiracy...its true... but it happened a) as a means to fight against the soviets during the cold war....and b) happened over between 20 and 30 years ago...so isnt a big Bush conspiracy
next...he states that all the rubble from the WTC was removed and melted down...not true...much of it still remains stored in new jersey even after the FBI investigation...not to mention that you cant leave thousands of tonnes of rubble just laying around the centre of one of the busiest areas of one of the worlds busiest cities... thats just not a feasible option
as for the phone calls...its just people saying...no documented evidence...no recording of phone calls...no phone records given and most crucially and rather conveniently...not a single person of the supposedly hundreds of people who got these calls...NONE...interviewed...mmm...and people say the Bush administration had no proof of WMD in iraq...yet are willing to believe this
larry silverstein said they pulled the building on US tv..he states that the fire department made the desicion to pull the building due to being unable to control the fire...whats the conspiracy there?...i dont recall any claim to the contrary...and no-one was killed in the collapsing/demolition of that building...you also have a man who is apparently a civilian who had no part in the investigation saying that building 7 didn't catch fire from the main buildings with absolutely no evidence or experts willing to back up this claim...thats about as valid as saying the Bush came and set the building on fire himself
and where is the conspiracy in demolishing 4,5 and 6...look at the state they were in...hardly something a lick of paint would cover up is it
and why is it part of some kind of financial scheme when it costs far more to demolish and rebuild a building than it does to repair fire damage particularly if it has been destroyed by consensus anyway...the insurance job would most likely not cover it without fire chiefs approval and recommendation to knock the building done...unless you are suggesting that they were in on it and then you have to prove that allegation also and how they benefited from it
as for the deigner of the WTC going on record as saying the building was designed to take "jumbo jet strikes"...a total misquote
the building was designed to take a hit from the largest passenger plane of the day which was actually smaller the ones used on sept 11th...not to mention it was designed to take these impacts at relatively low speeds as it was generally thought that any impact would be the result of an accident...the planes infact struck the tower at far higher speeds that anticipated for
also...the building was designed with massive fire protection sprayed onto the metal framework of the building which it turns out during fire safety investigations several years before 911 had turned out to be highly inadequate in both application and maintainence
also...the main WTC building were designed in a way that the individual floors acted to keep the 4 main columns of the building straight...when floors were removed due to the impact of the plane then this causes a massive stress point where the missing floors should be causing a pushing out of the corner columns from the floors above...when you look at the video of the collapse of the main towers this is exactly what happens...the corners of the building are pushed out by the weight of the floors above
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/wtc.php
then you have the firefighters saying that they stood and watched from "at least 2 blocks" away that there were controlled demolitions going on inside the building although it doesnt say if its supposed to be the admitted demolition of wtc7 or one of the main buildings
if its the main buildings then why...despite the fact that the collapses were recorded by hundreds of film cameras and thousands of photography cameras...does not a single shot show this happening?
next point being the threat reports from other countries... i know for a fact the UK government gets about 20 serious threat reports every single say...in the US the president gets a top 10 set of the most serious threats everyday...almost all of which never materialise...
but the 2 biggest points of all that go against the conspiracy theorist claims are these
the WTC attacks triggered a recession in the world economy due to the loss of huge numbers of financial experts...who stands to lose the most from any recession based on holdings in PLC companies and based on share price?...the same people who are supposed to be benefiting from the attacks
but the single biggest problem in the whole affair...
how do you get capatalist,decmocracy and american hating islamic extremists to do exactly what you want and when you want?
im about 3/4 the way through the vid...i'll watch the rest later
well apart from 9/11. Gun control is needed. here in so called "Communist Canada" you can buy guys and there are 7 million of them i heard here, but they should be registered and certain types are banned. Serious if you need a desert egale or a m-16 to protect your family in a rich suburban neighbourhood you should be really thinking "how did it come to this?" 😆
personal experience. I was in the US Atlanta and my friends neighbour had a mini armoury in his house. Not to offend anyone he said "I'm worried that a black or Hispanic guy is going to rape my Baby girl" His 19 year old daughter. Well i never laughed so hard in my life, but then i found out that was quite a problem in that neighbourhood. 🙄
And about rights, In canada, there is limited free speech on matter of race and religion, disabilities and gender. Everything else is free to yell at. Thats the way it should and be and i doubt it will ever change in Canada.
Why because the house of commons has to pass it. NO way. The senate.NO way. The ten provinces. No way. Chance of a radical party that like getting elected to even to introduce that. NO!!!! Chances of massive protests and terribile riots. Likely!
watched a little bit more and its crdibility is dropping further with claims of gas being used to knock out passengers on board the flights...so how do they explain the fact that there are recordings of phone calls made by people on the flights both from flight attendants to the ground control as well as passengers to loved ones?
i have to say though...i love the cuts of the republican party conferences..."terrorism terrorism global terrorism blah blah"...its a pity you could do with with the democrat conferences just as easily though
and how can you trust a person who makes claims like "cnn and fox are just fronts for the CIA"....without any proof...
as for the skull and bones society...stick that up there with the iluminati and the wisemens committee and the philosophers legacy and whatever other new world order theories are bandied around that people might think are all real...
(Rubs hands together)Ok by this:
Taken away our freedom of speech by not be able to sing christmas songs in fear that we may be insulting people who are around us or have the mary and joey statue on our front yard.
And othr then that I can't think of anymore.I have more bt I can't think of it right now.JM
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
(Rubs hands together)Ok by this:Taken away our freedom of speech by not be able to sing christmas songs in fear that we may be insulting people who are around us or have the mary and joey statue on our front yard.
And othr then that I can't think of anymore.I have more bt I can't think of it right now.JM
You can sing your stupid God is great songs all you want you just can't do it where other people may be offended (common sense godammit)
As for guns, well some regulations on them don't really take away a lot of freedom (well except your freedom to kill someone with a gun withion an hour)
Oh and people that call the husband of Maria Joey don't deserve to sing anything aboot them.
Originally posted by finti
and people that call Miryam/Miriam for Mary should shut up
They call them Joey....Joey....thats an insult...Mary is good Miryam too ...but they call the stepdad of their lord Joey.....I wouldn't mind if that was the only name in any way similiar but they have the name Joseph, they still call some guy 2000 years ago Joey as if he was some dude at a Mc Donalds drive through.