How have the Liberals taken away your rights and freedoms?

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
This topic is too broad. Liberals as a whole have not infringed on the rights and freedoms of others, nor have conservatives as a whole. For me, both doctrines make excellent points. My problem with the ACLU is that one group's liberties are ignored in defense of another. They do not stand for all persons' liberties, just the ones who they feel like defending.

The ACLU does seem to infringe doesn't it...

Though I don't like anyone telling me what I should do with my land. And most of that does come from liberals.

Originally posted by Oswald Kenobi
My problem with the ACLU is that one group's liberties are ignored in defense of another. They do not stand for all persons' liberties, just the ones who they feel like defending.

please be specific. who's liberty did they ignore?

Originally posted by PVS
please be specific. who's liberty did they ignore?

Originally posted by PVS
please be specific. who's liberty did they ignore?

I feel if people want to pray let them pray...If people want to protest let them...Though...I think they are working on getting rid of hate speech that could be good, but doesn't that take some rights away?

Originally posted by debbiejo
I feel if people want to pray let them pray...If people want to protest let them...Though...I think they are working on getting rid of hate speech that could be good, but doesn't that take some rights away?

but they never forbid people from praying.
the whole point of their organisation is to prevent restrictions...the very definition of liberty is a lack of restriction. there is no restriction on anyone's right to practice faith, and the aclu certainly never pushed for that.

you are free to pray whenever you wish. i can stop typing right now, say a prayer, then continue, and nobody will ever know or care. HOWEVER structuring a ritual around a particular religion in a public institution goes against the religious freedom our country partially stands for. it alienates others and thus they are not free to feel accepted. i think many who protest such things are way too dramatic in saying they were 'damaged' because of such an issue, but that doesnt change my view that religion should NEVER be imposed on others.

what if every day in school (when you go or went) the class was instructed to pray to alah? you are NOT being forced to do so, but you must sit silent and observe this everyday. certainly not traumatic, but certainly not american, right?

the aclu feels as i do, that government institutions should be devoid of religious icons and scripture of ANY kind.

Hmmmmm....OK, but what if a group want to pray at a flag pole or a game? Should it all be silent? Maybe it should. If Christians pray, do Muslims take it as a type of hate speech?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Hmmmmm....OK, but what if a group want to pray at a flag pole or a game? Should it all be silent? Maybe it should. If Christians pray, do Muslims take it as a type of hate speech?

people are free to pray wherever they wish.
thats a misconception many make, that its somehow illegal to practice faith
in public places or government institutions. the rule is simply that the practice of faith cannot be a part of the POLICY of a government/public institution.

weird that you would pray to a flagpole... 😛

Originally posted by debbiejo
I feel if people want to pray let them pray...If people want to protest let them...Though...I think they are working on getting rid of hate speech that could be good, but doesn't that take some rights away?

Getting rid of hate speech really doesn't get rid of rights, because the constitution says that you have rights until you infringe on the rights of someone else. You have the right to say what you want until it turns to something that demeans another person, which is what hate speech does. Also remember that a lot of hate speech promotes violence against a certain group, which is DEFINITELY infringing upon the rights of the targets/victims. You also can't say what are called "fighting words" -- ie, you shout something stupid and a fight breaks out over it, you will be held responsible.

Originally posted by PVS
people are free to pray wherever they wish.
thats a misconception many make, that its somehow illegal to practice faith
in public places or government institutions. the rule is simply that the practice of faith cannot be a part of the POLICY of a government/public institution.

weird that you would pray to a flagpole... 😛

Originally posted by Lana
Getting rid of hate speech really doesn't get rid of rights, because the constitution says that you have rights until you infringe on the rights of someone else. You have the right to say what you want until it turns to something that demeans another person, which is what hate speech does. Also remember that a lot of hate speech promotes violence against a certain group, which is DEFINITELY infringing upon the rights of the targets/victims. You also can't say what are called "fighting words" -- ie, you shout something stupid and a fight breaks out over it, you will be held responsible.

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also the classic example of yelling "fire" in a movie theater when there is none.
freedom of speech is more freedom of thought. you are free to hate people of other ethnicities and religions, as the kkk and baptists prove every day of their meaningless lives...but to voice that hate as a tool to incite violence, and put another person in danger is not their right.

Originally posted by Lana
Getting rid of hate speech really doesn't get rid of rights, because the constitution says that you have rights until you infringe on the rights of someone else. You have the right to say what you want until it turns to something that demeans another person, which is what hate speech does. Also remember that a lot of hate speech promotes violence against a certain group, which is DEFINITELY infringing upon the rights of the targets/victims. You also can't say what are called "fighting words" -- ie, you shout something stupid and a fight breaks out over it, you will be held responsible.

I'd like to get rid of hate speech, but where do you draw the line before you're infringing on someone else's rights? That can be taken to an extreme.

Originally posted by PVS
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also the classic example of yelling "fire" in a movie theater when there is none.
freedom of speech is more freedom of thought. you are free to hate people of other ethnicities and religions, as the kkk and baptists prove every day of their meaningless lives...but to voice that hate as a tool to incite violence, and put another person in danger is not their right.

Yup yup. I remember this very well because we had many long discussions and debates about it in my government class last year.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I'd like to get rid of hate speech, but where do you draw the line before you're infringing on someone else's rights? That can be taken to an extreme.

Like PVS said, if it puts someone else in danger, it is infringing on their rights.

You people are so vindictive. You are generalizing all Baptists as gay bashers. If we are generalizing here, I could generalize that you and your family are idiots and have sex with monkeys. 😘

If I were generalizing. But I'm not. 😉

Originally posted by ShotgunWes
I could generalize that you and your family are idiots and have sex with monkeys. 😘

WOW! does that mean we might be related to you?

Nope, it would just mean that you are one sick bastard. Maybe you should seek treatment, because sex with animals, commonly known as beastiality, is not normal and can have lifelong repercussions. Such as what happened to your mom. After she had sex with Mr. Ed (the horse) she became pregnant with you. Not wanting to put you up for adoption, she joined a circus so she could be close to you. Seing as how you were the main attraction titled "Horseboy", your mom was able to make enough money off you that she could buy you a step-father from the local stable. He was a donkey but you loved him as a father anyway. Except when he was doing your mom when it was your turn.

Originally posted by ShotgunWes
Nope, it would just mean that you are one sick bastard. Maybe you should seek treatment, because sex with animals, commonly known as beastiality, is not normal and can have lifelong repercussions. Such as what happened to your mom. After she had sex with Mr. Ed (the horse) she became pregnant with you. Not wanting to put you up for adoption, she joined a circus so she could be close to you. Seing as how you were the main attraction titled "Horseboy", your mom was able to make enough money off you that she could buy you a step-father from the local stable. He was a donkey but you loved him as a father anyway. Except when he was doing your mom when it was your turn.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAND reported 🙂

Originally posted by PVS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAND reported 🙂

that ws just.....tsss.....

Hey man I was just trying to help you out with YOUR problems. I swear you try and help someone out and they stab you in the back. No wonder your a liberal.

Originally posted by PVS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAND reported 🙂

Originally posted by PVS
please be specific. who's liberty did they ignore?

Like in my previous example, you've never once heard them speak about the parents' rights to protect their children or the childrens' rights to be safe. Just for yourself, think of one time the ACLU can to the aid of a victim of a crime. It's always the criminal they defend.