I am still unconvinced, long pig you have made a lot of statements that because Dr Strange invokes other gods "he" is more powerful......hmmmm.
The full face helmet (not the half face) gives whoever wears it the power of Nabu. "Whoever wears the helmet is Fate", a common DC quote.
hmmmmmmm
What do they mean by this?
Stange has milennia of experience.....agreed
The helmet of Nabu has milennia of experience, it allows Fate to invoke other Gods also if we need to go down that root.
If we use Wizard as every one does for Surfer v Superman, they suggest that Strange wins by removing the helmet. This would indeed render Fate helpless. However I feel this is a cowards way out, and like there suggestion for Superman/ Surfer renders thee point of the battle void if it is used.
Back to the point of this thread could The power of Nabu defeat the Scarlet Witch, Yes probably 😄
Keep the faith 😄
"Strange" is the best version of D Strange so far, read it 😄
Unconvinced as to what? I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
But ok, I'll try now.
The full face helmet (not the half face) gives whoever wears it the power of Nabu. "Whoever wears the helmet is Fate", a common DC quote.
Nabu isn't on the level of Strange's gods, and Nabu hasn't had the training Strange himself has had, nor does he have any of the countless uber-powerful artifacts.
Fate is a one trick pony, Strange is a billion trick pony.
Stange has milennia of experience.....agreed
The helmet of Nabu has milennia of experience, it allows Fate to invoke other Gods also if we need to go down that root.
Invoke others? Who? When? What was the context?
Let's go down that road.
If we use Wizard as every one does for Surfer v Superman, they suggest that Strange wins by removing the helmet. This would indeed render Fate helpless. However I feel this is a cowards way out, and like there suggestion for Superman/ Surfer renders thee point of the battle void if it is used.
I don't really rely on Wizard, they made a few mistakes on that top 10 thing. They said Surfer could beat Strange by a speedblitz, but didn't take into account Strange has perma-shields up at all times that can take anything Surfer can dish out.
Any Strange could easily remove Fate's helmet, why not?
But if it came down to a fight without that weakness, Strange would still win more than lose.
Fate isn't protected from being tossed into another dimention.
OK lets go down that road
Fate has invoked the total power of Order before, this is the power of all the lords of order, all of whom are godlike beings. On various occasions especially in the late eighties and early nineties.
Originally posted by long pig
Unconvinced as to what? I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
But ok, I'll try now.Yes, so?
Strange can call upon Eternity, and can be granted his power, or call upon the other 1000 Gods that make Nabu look like David Blaine.Nabu isn't on the level of Strange's gods, and Nabu hasn't had the training Strange himself has had, nor does he have any of the countless uber-powerful artifacts.
Fate is a one trick pony, Strange is a billion trick pony.Who has been around longer is debatable, but who has more experience in hardcore magic fighting, Strange gets it.
Invoke others? Who? When? What was the context?
Let's go down that road.I don't really rely on Wizard, they made a few mistakes on that top 10 thing. They said Surfer could beat Strange by a speedblitz, but didn't take into account Strange has perma-shields up at all times that can take anything Surfer can dish out.
Any Strange could easily remove Fate's helmet, why not?
But if it came down to a fight without that weakness, Strange would still win more than lose.
Fate isn't protected from being tossed into another dimention.
Dear god if the scarlet witch is now stronger than Dr.Strange im GLAD i gave up Marvel forever.Everything with the wordr "X" in the title should be burned so as not to tarnish Marvels good years
Marvel comics RIP 1963-2000
Anyways Dr.Fate is pretty high end on the power scale heck look what Mordru did in Princes of Darkness to the entire planet and look at how easily Fate picked him apart once he got his control back.I say he whips The Beyond.......Onslau..err Franklin rich....err the present bad overpowered storyline marvel is running which eventually be retroconned out of existence with a "Unimaginable power?What unimaginable power?" explanation sseveral years later
Nice post, obviously an experienced comic reader, cool to have you onboard EvilCap 😄
Originally posted by EvilCap America
Dear god if the scarlet witch is now stronger than Dr.Strange im GLAD i gave up Marvel forever.Everything with the wordr "X" in the title should be burned so as not to tarnish Marvels good yearsMarvel comics RIP 1963-2000
Anyways Dr.Fate is pretty high end on the power scale heck look what Mordru did in Princes of Darkness to the entire planet and look at how easily Fate picked him apart once he got his control back.I say he whips The Beyond.......Onslau..err Franklin rich....err the present bad overpowered storyline marvel is running which eventually be retroconned out of existence with a "Unimaginable power?What unimaginable power?" explanation sseveral years later
Originally posted by whirlysplat
OK lets go down that roadFate has invoked the total power of Order before, this is the power of all the lords of order, all of whom are godlike beings. On various occasions especially in the late eighties and early nineties.
Not anymore, most of them do not like Fate. As shown in JLA the Nail#3.
He could never do that again.
The Order said they wouldn't, therefore, I'd guess they probably wouldn't.
And, still.....not enough to defeat a Avatar of Eternity Strange.
If that is Fate's biggest trump card, he's got even less of a chance against Strange.
If it came down to h2h, Fate is superstrong.....but Strange can amp his physical with magic....so I don't even know if Fate could take it there either.
But the thread is about the Scarlet Witch and fate takes her. The idea that Strange is an an avatar of Eternity kinda messes up the idea his a magician and I hope with the present revamp of marvel going on this gets sorted 😄
Sidebar: BigSexy your choice of amalgam character hmmmm................................. fascinating 😆
Originally posted by long pig
The Order said they wouldn't, therefore, I'd guess they probably wouldn't.And, still.....not enough to defeat a Avatar of Eternity Strange.
If that is Fate's biggest trump card, he's got even less of a chance against Strange.
If it came down to h2h, Fate is superstrong.....but Strange can amp his physical with magic....so I don't even know if Fate could take it there either.
I didnt like disassembled and I wont like House of M.But Wanda has clearly now been written with much more raw power.Strange invokes cosmic entities,he cannot call upon them as if they were his servants.There are always consequences,always a price to pay for their help.When he refused to help the Vishanti they stripped him of nearly all his powers and had to search different sources of magic.
Wanda has manipulated the In-betweener and brought Dormammu (who didnt know why he was there and was mightily pissed off) to Earth in her sleep.Strange could not have directly manipulated cosmic beings like that.
And his powers on the physical plane are limited.He certainly cannot snap his fingers and rearrange reality at will.And both in the Defenders and his series,his magic has not a very good record against reality warpers (kulan gath,cosmic cubes,alpha the ultimate mutant,Orggo).
Most of the things that have been happening with Wanda lately were just her powers going wacky.
It's all fake, she pulled Dormammu's image from Strange's mind and yada yada.
Anyways, Wanda may have all the raw power in the world, but she lacks any of the knowledge to use it effectively, and Strange could take her.*
*But we don't know exactly where her magic is coming from, so it's possible it isn't even magic.
Yes,I think it is not magic.Seems reality warping through exponential growth of her probability powers.Thats why is so difficult to handle.Fact is,now it goes on even if she's unconscious or dreaming.So,as HoM 1 suggests,either you kill her for good or you could literally wake up a different person tomorrow.
Originally posted by markolin
Yes,I think it is not magic.Seems reality warping through exponential growth of her probability powers.Thats why is so difficult to handle.Fact is,now it goes on even if she's unconscious or dreaming.So,as HoM 1 suggests,either you kill her for good or you could literally wake up a different person tomorrow.
Strange dismissed her probability/hex/chaos magic as not even existing.
So, it's something else, it could have to do with Mephisto, he and Wanda have deep ties.
It could be something to do with Onslaught, maybe the shard is still in her.
But, I believe they will use her to seal up some loose ends and such dealing with the contintinuity, and blame it on her reality warping power being unchecked for so long.
I also think Magneto is dead, and Wanda has just been keeping his "image" around. How else does he keep returning after death?
He was killed by wolverine less than a few months ago.