Originally posted by Slash_KMCThat's because your one of the ignorant masses.
I'd probably die too. Don't think euphoria would be the cause though.
I have followers!
Lord Lucien
Bandon? F*ck, man, why don't you just give Revan Thor and his mighty hammer while you're at it. Sheesh, talk about your overkill, Matt.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Ultimate overpowered God team that is better than Slash KMC:Leader: Bandon Mando Wars
Veteran: Bandon on Tatooine
Hotshot: Bandon on the Leviathan
Lady: Nancy Pelosi
Outsider: Darth Bandon
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Bandon solos.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Bandon for the win.
Originally posted by BoratBoratgalen marekBandon wins.
Soon, I will have Lucas, as well.
[Belloq]Slash KMC. Again we see there is no character you can build up which I cannot replace. [/Belloq]
Originally posted by Slash_KMCSee this post.
Jesus has more followers then anyone else... But was he actually more than just a crazy fellow?
Originally posted by Lord LucienThe truths out!
Seriously, what have you done?! You're creating of Jesus Bandon Norris will bring upon the ruin of this entire forum's credibility!
Originally posted by Maester_yoda
He was not a crazy fellow. To you He might seem that way, but that was low either way.
Originally posted by Maester_yoda
He was not a crazy fellow. To you He might seem that way, but that was low either way.
I'm afraid that you have underestimated our dear friend gaySlash KMC. With his usage of the word "crazy fellow" he clearly indicates (through the faux-stereotypical British mannerism) that he is referencing C.S. Lewis' "Mad, Bad, or God" argument, in which the positive claim of divinity is arrived at by means of the elimination of the (less desirable to his theology) alternatives. GaySlash KMC has chosen to reject Lewis' rationale, however, and take the contrary position: that Jesus was not divine, not malicious and therefore mistaken (which, in such a weighty matter (according to Lewis himself) can only indicate insanity).
I, of course, have opted for the more diplomatic position that Jesus was in fact mistaken, but that his mistake-- as it was not malicious in origin-- identifies him only as mortal, not insane. I feel that the culture of the period was such that the claims made could be earnestly supported without malice or insanity; look at the [wall/street of preachers in Jerusalem, the name of which I have forgotten], the multitude of preachers there were likely not all victims of mental instability nor of moral failure (although some doubtlessly were).
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Jesus has more followers then anyone else... But was he actually more than just a crazy fellow?
You make a very insightful and well-reasoned point. The hordes of citations and reams of evidence you have supplied us with is a real credit to your intelligence and effort.
I'm afraid that you've left out one key fact:
Buddah.
There are more Buddhists than Christians.
Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Revelation 20:14-15
14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.15. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
my name is in the book. I will never see the "pit of Fire" that you joke about.
You have left out one key fact:
There is no independent evidence to suggest that such a pit exists now or ever will exist. (I'm speaking about the literal pit of hell, rather than any given lake of fire; I'm aware that there exists lava in the universe.) Thus, The situation in which the "book" is relevant may never manifest itself. Moreover, you have no way to know that there is, in fact, a "book" in which to have your name written, or even that your name is in such a book; by some readings of scripture only 144,000 people will be saved. Many more than 144,000 people believe themselves to be saved; how do you know that you are one of them?
the scripture does NOT say only 144,000 will be saved, that is not the general teaching of Scripture. I do not need facts or evidences to BELIEVE something. The King James Bible in proven to be inerrant and infallible. I do not care about your religious preference, that is not the reason of this thread, nor this discussion. Believe what you will, but do not make absurd comments
You make a very insightful and well-reasoned point. The hordes of citations and reams of evidence you have supplied us with is a real credit to your intelligence and effort.
However, I'm afraid that you've ignored (actually, several) key points:
http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/Rev/144000.htm
Furthermore, the issue of maximum capacity is only one of the issues I raised. You did not comment on how it is that you are assured a place in the book (regardless of the size of that list) when many people who believe things other than your beliefs, in many cases contrary to your beliefs, are equally confident that they will be spared in their own cataclysm. Hell, there are some other Christian denominations that will label you as one that will not be on that list.
Where does this certainty come from?
I would extend the same incredulity to your assertions about the KJV. In fact, even those that share your faith in Yahwe have their doubts about that book; one website has thousands of words written to assert the opposite.
One such example is reproduced here:
There are over 8000 alternate English renderings from Greek and Hebrew manuscripts that were identical.The first example (Judges 19:2) below shows a place where the meaning of the Hebrew is obscure. Was it "4 months" or "a year and four months"??? Quite a difference! But the structure of the Hebrew makes it difficult to for any translators to know for sure which it is. So they show the alternate reading, NOT KNOWING THEMSELVES FOR SURE WHICH IS CORRECT!
No one questions the Greek and Hebrew is inspired. But if the translators were also inspired by the Holy Spirit, in their work of translating the inspired Hebrew into English, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN GUIDED BY DIVINE INSPIRATION THE CORRECT RENDERING, hence no need for any alternate readings in the margin.
I have to wonder (on a personal level) which comments you found absurd. I have put real effort into avoiding derogatory or derisive language. Regardless of your decision to respond, I would appreciate a message (pm or otherwise) pointing out anywhere that you have found me offensive.
Addendum:
This website indicates that since there is another verse that leaves the number undefined (and, given today's global Christian population, much larger) it is possible that the number in Revelations is in error. Why the number should be tossed and not the other verse, I'm not sure. I'm also curious as to how the mistake (?) affects the validity of the rest of the ?prophecy?
Spoiler:
And also if the author knows that the word "quantitative" is used incorrectly in place of "qualitative."EthosCompetence matters people.
Originally posted by Maester_yoda
I do not need facts or evidences to BELIEVE something.
That's right! I don't need facts and evidence either. If I believe that killing younglings is actually the right thing to do, then it is, I don't need to prove it.
Originally posted by Maester_yoda
Believe what you will, but do not make absurd comments
Oi, there's a problem. I believe in freedom of speech.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
You make a very insightful and well-reasoned point. The hordes of citations and reams of evidence you have supplied us with is a real credit to your intelligence and effort.I'm afraid that you've left out one key fact:
Buddah.There are more Buddhists than Christians.
Prove it.