Vader's fate could have been like Dooku's

We see in RoTS that in order to have Anakin as his apprentice, Sidious has to remove dooku, as the Sith only operates in two - one master and one apprentice. Anakin (the would-be apprentice) was asked to kill off dooku.

In RoTJ, Sidious wanted to turn Luke to the dark side.

EMPEROR: "Now..fulfil your destiny and take your father's place at my side!"

Didn't he just asked luke to kill Vader? When he said "fulfil your destiny" it was as good as saying 'strike your father down"..Vader must have been blindly loyal by bringing luke before the Emperor,it was as though they were discussing the removal of vader openly.

Surely Vader knew about the Sith's Rule of Two. It is my belief that when he heard the quote above by his master, he remembered Dooku dying in his hands,and finally it dawned on him that he was to die in order for luke to become a Sith apprentice.That is why, in addition to luke's appeals, he made up his mind to kill sidious once and for all.

If not, Vader's fate could have been the same as Dooku - killed by the would-be apprentice, Luke Skywalker this time round.

Why are the Siths such cheapskates?

Mech Vader wasnt what Sidious wanted when he seduced Anakin. When he saw someone stronger come along he jumped at the chance to get it right.

Originally posted by Cybervader
We see in RoTS that in order to have Anakin as his apprentice, Sidious has to remove dooku, as the Sith only operates in two - one master and one apprentice. Anakin (the would-be apprentice) was asked to kill off dooku.

In RoTJ, Sidious wanted to turn Luke to the dark side.

EMPEROR: "Now..fulfil your destiny and take your father's place at my side!"

Didn't he just asked luke to kill Vader? When he said "fulfil your destiny" it was as good as saying 'strike your father down"..Vader must have been blindly loyal by bringing luke before the Emperor,it was as though they were discussing the removal of vader openly.

Surely Vader knew about the Sith's Rule of Two. It is my belief that when he heard the quote above by his master, he remembered Dooku dying in his hands,and finally it dawned on him that he was to die in order for luke to become a Sith apprentice.That is why, in addition to luke's appeals, he made up his mind to kill sidious once and for all.

If not, Vader's fate could have been the same as Dooku - killed by the would-be apprentice, Luke Skywalker this time round.

But I honestly don't think Lucas came up with the 'rule of two' until the PT...

Also, don't forget, that Vader also wanted Luke for himself...

VADER: Luke. You can destroy the Emperor. He has foreseen this. It is your destiny. Join me, and we can rule the galaxy as father and son. Come with me. It's the only way.

Vader wanted to turn Luke and have him kill Palpatine so he could take Palpatine's place with Luke as his apprentice...

And Palpatine wanted Luke to replace Vader. Luke was everything Vader was before the suit. With Luke, they would be even more powerful... [edit: Ast beat me... What he said ;p ]

Everyone just wanted Luke on their team!

The Rebellion, Vader, Palpie... He was a hot commodity!

Hot stuff!

QUOTE: "And Palpatine wanted Luke to replace Vader. Luke was everything Vader was before the suit. With Luke, they would be even more powerful..."

Hmm..are you trying to say that vader was not as powerful as what anakin as anakin would have been? And that anakin as anakin and luke are just as powerful? that's very interesting..i do not think this have been discussed before..

Originally posted by Cybervader
We see in RoTS that in order to have Anakin as his apprentice, Sidious has to remove dooku, as the Sith only operates in two - one master and one apprentice. Anakin (the would-be apprentice) was asked to kill off dooku.

In RoTJ, Sidious wanted to turn Luke to the dark side.

EMPEROR: "Now..fulfil your destiny and take your father's place at my side!"

Didn't he just asked luke to kill Vader? When he said "fulfil your destiny" it was as good as saying 'strike your father down"..Vader must have been blindly loyal by bringing luke before the Emperor,it was as though they were discussing the removal of vader openly.

Surely Vader knew about the Sith's Rule of Two. It is my belief that when he heard the quote above by his master, he remembered Dooku dying in his hands,and finally it dawned on him that he was to die in order for luke to become a Sith apprentice.That is why, in addition to luke's appeals, he made up his mind to kill sidious once and for all.

If not, Vader's fate could have been the same as Dooku - killed by the would-be apprentice, Luke Skywalker this time round.

umm...duh.

why do you reckon palps was cackling when luke cut off vader's hand? he was waiting for luke to kill vader and join the darkside....

been discussed plenty o times your just a noob.

luke was not as strong as anakin was b4 the suit but with time and training he would of been.(as he is in the eu after ROJ)

wow, talk about stating the obvious...threads these days...

Originally posted by Stealth Agent
been discussed plenty o times your just a noob.

Ok..let me ask you what right u have in sayin that? It does not mean that i joined this forum in 2005 i had not been in other SW forums before this..And just because you know something does not mean that i'm a less SW fan than you Stealth Agent!

I'm so sick and tired of hearing arrogant 'contributors' of this forum who looks down on others..We are all here in the name of SW and pls do not tarnish it with your foul elitist attitude. Thank you very much.

You gotta cut us some slack if we seem a tad touchy... we've been through a lot of shit the past few months... it's only beginning to return to normality... slowly. very slowly.

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
You gotta cut us some slack if we seem a tad touchy... we've been through a lot of shit the past few months... it's only beginning to return to normality... slowly. very slowly.

You felt this change? Strange that I have not. Are you sure your feelings are clear on this matter?

Come on, at least we don't have "Plagueis is Anakin's father" and "Mace beat Palpatine" threads popping up every two seconds... now, we only have them every two minutes... at least that's a start 😉

No but overall, I think we have gotten alot more straight up assholes.(not implying anyone)

Originally posted by Ast Rofan
No but overall, I think we have gotten alot more straight up assholes.(not implying anyone)

People can be new but they don't have to be assholes. (which most of them are)

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
People can be new but they don't have to be assholes. (which most of them are)

Originally posted by DeVi| D0do
Vader wanted to turn Luke and have him kill Palpatine so he could take Palpatine's place with Luke as his apprentice...

So why did he then stop Luke from killing the Emperor? Hadn't vader blocked Luke's saber it would have killed Palps.

Vader probably didn't think just the act of Luke killing Palpatine would be enough to turn him... he needed more time to manipulate him and lure him to the Dark Side.

Kinda the same as Dooku's death. Anakin didn't turn just by killing Dooku... sure, it had a large effect on him, but it wasn't great enough to turn him.