I just realised something, if you are pro DC then this fight will go to your favorite cosmic guy, and vice versa for the Marvel fans. But lets look at this realistically, let's leave Pre- Crisis Darkseid out of this ok, because Darseid is what he is now, and as of now he does not have the power to beat Superman in a fight.
Where am I getting this from? The Superman and Batman comic book that came out recently, and it counts.
Tyrant could destroy Superman without much of a problem, so this doesn't look too good for Stonehead.
Does anyone here believe that Superman can beat the combined power of Morg, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Jack of Hearts, Beta Ray Bill, and Ganymede? Well I don't.
Guess who did beat all of these guys? It wasn't Darkseid, it was Tyrant. It's evident that a battle between Tyrant, and Darkseid wouldn't last very long.
Just remember why Galactus didn't want to fight him, and this will pretty much tell you that Tyrant would have Darkseid hooked up to his machines feeding off of him.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I just realised something, if you are pro DC then this fight will go to your favorite cosmic guy, and vice versa for the Marvel fans. But lets look at this realistically, let's leave Pre- Crisis Darkseid out of this ok, because Darseid is what he is now, and as of now he does not have the power to beat Superman in a fight.Where am I getting this from? The Superman and Batman comic book that came out recently, and it counts.
Tyrant could destroy Superman without much of a problem, so this doesn't look too good for Stonehead.
Does anyone here believe that Superman can beat the combined power of Morg, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Jack of Hearts, Beta Ray Bill, and Ganymede? Well I don't. 👆
Guess who did beat all of these guys? It wasn't Darkseid, it was Tyrant. It's evident that a battle between Tyrant, and Darkseid wouldn't last very long.
Just remember why Galactus didn't want to fight him, and this will pretty much tell you that Tyrant would have Darkseid hooked up to his machines feeding off of him.
Superman would die with in minutes fight the people that tyrant was fighting: gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Morg, Jack of Hearts, Ganymede, Silver Surfer, Legacy, Thanos.
Tyrant is a miniature version of Galactus, and Tyrant is evil as hell unlike his father Galactus. Tyrant has control all forms of energy, warp-speed, molecule transmutation, increase other abilities, planetary destruction blast, etc. Only thing that killed tyrant or stopped him was the ultimate nullifier, and it could be possible tyrant is still alive.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I just realised something, if you are pro DC then this fight will go to your favorite cosmic guy, and vice versa for the Marvel fans. But lets look at this realistically, let's leave Pre- Crisis Darkseid out of this ok, because Darseid is what he is now, and as of now he does not have the power to beat Superman in a fight.Where am I getting this from? The Superman and Batman comic book that came out recently, and it counts.
Tyrant could destroy Superman without much of a problem, so this doesn't look too good for Stonehead.
Does anyone here believe that Superman can beat the combined power of Morg, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Jack of Hearts, Beta Ray Bill, and Ganymede? Well I don't.
Guess who did beat all of these guys? It wasn't Darkseid, it was Tyrant. It's evident that a battle between Tyrant, and Darkseid wouldn't last very long.
Just remember why Galactus didn't want to fight him, and this will pretty much tell you that Tyrant would have Darkseid hooked up to his machines feeding off of him.
Slight problem. There is no such thing as pre-crisis Darksied. He and the other New Gods were not affected by the crisis. So everything he did before it, he can still do now. And Superman beating the real Darksied (not just an Avatar) is either a massive case of PIS or just really, really bad writing.
Darksied wins 10/10
Originally posted by TheKahn
Slight problem. There is no such thing as pre-crisis Darksied. He and the other New Gods were not affected by the crisis. So everything he did before it, he can still do now. And Superman beating the real Darksied (not just an Avatar) is either a massive case of PIS or just really, really bad writing.Darksied wins 10/10
I put my money on Tyrant. Now, as for Superman beating Darkseid, he did and it wasn't an avatar, nor was it PIS. DC says it happened so it did, and it will happen again, because Darkseid can't beat him... why is it so hard to believe that Darkseid was whipped? I have to add that he was whipped so convincingly that Darseid shouldn't want a rematch with him.
Now the only thing left is for those who read the comic is to believe it, or stop living in denial. (Superman and Batman #13 Yep I just looked at it again, and the only plot induced stupidity that I saw was how Dakseid was able to punch Superman in zero gravity without flinging himself into the sun, and it kinda looked like Superman punched him in the arm so hard that it ruptured him). So like I said Tyrant will rip Superman a new one. Which also means that Tyrant will fry Darkseid. 😮💨
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I put my money on Tyrant. Now, as for Superman beating Darkseid, he did and it wasn't an avatar, nor was it PIS. DC says it happened so it did, and it will happen again, because Darkseid can't beat him... why is it so hard to believe that Darkseid was whipped? I have to add that he was whipped so convincingly that Darseid shouldn't want a rematch with him.Now the only thing left is for those who read the comic is to believe it, or stop living in denial. (Superman and Batman #13 Yep I just looked at it again, and the only plot induced stupidity that I saw was how Dakseid was able to punch Superman in zero gravity without flinging himself into the sun, and it kinda looked like Superman punched him in the arm so hard that it ruptured him). So like I said Tyrant will rip Superman a new one. Which also means that Tyrant will fry Darkseid. 😮💨
The reason it was PIS is that it ignored decades of precedent with even attempting to give a reasonable justification. Darkseid has been shown to be way beyond Superman (just look as his respect thread) countless times. And his true self has even been described on panel as being omnipotent.
About the fight with Superman...
At first he was handling Superman, Wonderwoman and Surpergirl at the same time.
He shoots the Omega Beams, Wonder Woman DEFLECTS them? Things that he controls that can go AROUND things? And in other appearances go THROUGH any item to get to whatever he wishes to hit? And then they come BACK at his FACE? [AGAIN, noting he controls where they go.]
Superman grabs him, and drags him all the way to the sun in the middle of a sentence [great speed feat for Superman, btw.], but is hard to believe that Darkseid didn't fight back the entire time when he was just handling them. o.O
Again, Darkseid can teleport himself, or Superman, or both, to get out of the sun, what he knows to be Superman's source of power and doesn't?
The whole thing was PIS/CIS on Darkseids behalf.
A cool Superman read though, and excellent artwork.
Originally posted by TheKahn
The reason it was PIS is that it ignored decades of precedent with even attempting to give a reasonable justification. Darkseid has been shown to be way beyond Superman (just look as his respect thread) countless times. And his true self has even been described on panel as being omnipotent.
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Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I just realised something, if you are pro DC then this fight will go to your favorite cosmic guy, and vice versa for the Marvel fans. But lets look at this realistically, let's leave Pre- Crisis Darkseid out of this ok, because Darseid is what he is now, and as of now he does not have the power to beat Superman in a fight.Where am I getting this from? The Superman and Batman comic book that came out recently, and it counts.
Tyrant could destroy Superman without much of a problem, so this doesn't look too good for Stonehead.
Does anyone here believe that Superman can beat the combined power of Morg, Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Jack of Hearts, Beta Ray Bill, and Ganymede? Well I don't.
Guess who did beat all of these guys? It wasn't Darkseid, it was Tyrant. It's evident that a battle between Tyrant, and Darkseid wouldn't last very long.
Just remember why Galactus didn't want to fight him, and this will pretty much tell you that Tyrant would have Darkseid hooked up to his machines feeding off of him.
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Originally posted by Crease
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My only problem with that reasoning is that you are judging Darksied's power level based entirely on a single instances of jobbing. I think you have to look as more than that because you can find instances of just about every character jobbing at least once. There is far more evidence showing that Darksied is way out of Superman's league than there is showing Superman is his superior. 🙁
This is not about Superman wrecking Darkseid's day (DC says he can, so he can.) This is about the multitudes of ways that Tyrant will bust his a**, there is no way in the world that Darkseid can handle the guys that Tyrant did, both Tyrant and Galactus fought, and nearly destroyed a universe... If Tyrant hit Darkseid with a planet crusher he'd liquify him.
You can call on whatever respect threads that you want to, but in the end DC's opinion is the only one that counts... I mean I've always thought that Captain Marvel was above Superman in every way but durabilty, but DC says Superman is stronger... does my opinion count? No it doesn't.
Lets keep it official ok! Darkseid can not beat Superman when he is on the attack, the bracelets are mystical so I agree that the omega effect should have bounced off of them. No one got jobbed in the fight, I've seen Superman get hit by the omega beams in the past, guess what they hurt him, but they didn't destroy him. Once again this is not about Superman vs Darkseid it's about Tyrant vs Darkseid... I like Darkseid more, but Tyrant is just too much for him.
Superman is shielded by the source aka the DC editorial staff. Fact. The fact that they tried to make it legitimate by saying since he merged with Kismet, he's protected is bs. That means everybody is protected, seeing as how Kismet is the Eternity of DC. And Eternity is all, from the insect to the gods. Everybody who's part of the universe should be immune to the omegas. Dumb move DC.......And that fight was bogus. Finder beams should have either went through the braces, or zipped around them. Them hitting him in his face was garbage writing. And DC allowing Loeb to write DS as forgetting most abilities other than punch and repeat is worse. Jobbing is the word for that.
For the fight, DS wins 9/10. He in his true form would make Tyrant appear to be the size of a cell. His omegas might not toss him to oblivion, but the concussive force can kill him. Superman has a big S on his chest, so allowances are made for him. Plus he has a myriad of other powers. DS wins except for the one time Tyrant reflects the oe with pc tuned to a heat vision level.