Midnighter Versus Wolverine

That's the one I was referring to srank...the fight with the Wolverine/werewolf wannabe. I probably shouldn't have said "often drawn" like that, but I remembered that one incident and figured there was others. Apparently there isn't (I own them all too, but am too lazy to go back and make sure), but he's still quite fast.

My opinion stands though. MN'er too fast, and he's displayed feats of strength beyond what Wolverine has (around 800 pounds, give or take). He's too good of a fighter to be taken out, and I think eventually he'd get enough hits in (he always has a bunch of deadly goodies with him too) to slow and eventually kill Wolverine. The healing would make it a long fight, but it isn't instantaneous.

-DM

I still don't think MD has the showings to support that his stats are on Wolverine's level. He doesn't have a single strength feat (aside from bashing in skulls) and he only has a hand full of speed feats and Wolverine has topped thim both (one of the short comings of being in a few comics). Most of the time we don't even see what MD does in his fights, he acts cocky and he boasts then we see him again on the next page and he has won some how. MD is skilled, he is strong and he is fast but it isn't enough for him to beat Wolverine with out prep with his standard equipment.

If guys like Seth, Regis and Jack can land hits on MD (Seth was hella powerfull but he never showed much in the way of speed) then Wolverine will be landing hits also and despite his durability I don't think MD will be able to hold up to that.

K...gotta respect that thinking...some good points.

Regis hitting him so easily seemed kinda iffy to me for a guy who is supposed to be able to work through literally thousands of combinations of a fight before it even begins (and has basic knowledge of his opponents skills and powers just by looking at them). I also saw MN'er take out a 'speedster' named Amaze in a stand-alone issue that's right after the Earth Inferno series in the collection I have...don't think it has a number. The guy is probably Quicksilver level or slower, but MN'er gets angry and tears him in half...so he's had some otehr impressive speed feats.

So yeah, maybe Wolvie gets a hit in, and then it's downhill for MN'er. I still think he has the skill to pull it off, but I'd be willing to say Wolverine would win 6/10.

-DM

...sorry double post

wolverine's nailed speed demon and "tagged" quicksilver...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I still don't think MD has the showings to support that his stats are on Wolverine's level. He doesn't have a single strength feat (aside from bashing in skulls) and he only has a hand full of speed feats and Wolverine has topped thim both (one of the short comings of being in a few comics). Most of the time we don't even see what MD does in his fights, he acts cocky and he boasts then we see him again on the next page and he has won some how. MD is skilled, he is strong and he is fast but it isn't enough for him to beat Wolverine with out prep with his standard equipment.

If guys like Seth, Regis and Jack can land hits on MD (Seth was hella powerfull but he never showed much in the way of speed) then Wolverine will be landing hits also and despite his durability I don't think MD will be able to hold up to that.

Shatters two swords made of what one may assume are good quality metal, once again seems to be with one hand each.

Punches through the skin/carpaces of alien things durable enough to survive the plunge from space through Earth's atmosphere, land with explosive force on the ground and survive and fly through cars and the resulting explosions unharmed.

Punches through the upper back of a resurrected super hero who was beating the hell out of Apollo and was about to kill him. He basically tore the guy's head and an arm off.

Caves in the skull of a Collosus rip-off who is in metal form. No matter what kind of metal she was made of, that's still showing some good strength.

Speed feats: Seems to be able to move faster than an enemy super powered soldier can see. Dodges another Gamorran soldier's punch with speed that the man finds impossible. Catches an arrow out of the air at near point-blank range. Dodges the blasts of a being who seems to control light. Wades into a barrage of gunfire/energy blasts when taking on a group of super powered enemies, while at the same time throwing at least two shuriken into the group with fatal results.

Regis beat him because he was hideously strong and was a telepath. Seth was friggin BUILT to beat the Authority. Jack is at LEAST at Spider man level in strength and agility and is nearly as skilled a fighter as 'nighter himself. All in all, taking hits from those three isn't exactly a huge embarassment. The guy in the trenchcoat definitely has what it takes to put down Wolverine.

the planning thing isnt something midnighter does consciously its his cybernetic implants that do the work and his body acts accordingly, like an amped up spidey sense. slade is only simlar becuase of the whole he uses 90% of his brain thing, but in my opinion only a slight competition for him. anyone who just jumps up and says wolverine wins obviously havent read any Authority or Stormwatch comics. i wont say that logan wouldnt put up a good fight, but wolverine is dust, and you mofo'kers know it 😆

Heh. Good points, Khell and manjaro. I have read all of Authority (no Stormwatch yet though) but had forgotten many of MN'ers displays of fighting prowess and strength. I was a bit torn, and initially said MN'er only to switch to Wolvie briefly. I'm back in the Wildstorm camp now...permanently this time.

-DM

also whenever he says he went over a battle a million times in his head he's not exaggerating. 😆

I didn't know too much about the Midnighter, but geezus, after reading all of this, I'll have to go with him.

Yeah, MN'er would give even the best street-level types a go at it (I'm thinking about guys like Spider-Man, Deathstroke, etc.). He's hardcore.

-DM

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Heh. Good points, Khell and manjaro. I have read all of Authority (no Stormwatch yet though) but had forgotten many of MN'ers displays of fighting prowess and strength. I was a bit torn, and initially said MN'er only to switch to Wolvie briefly. I'm back in the Wildstorm camp now...permanently this time.

-DM

Originally posted by Khellendros
Yeah, I was the same way. I said Wolvie at first too, but then I really started thinking about it, and I had just picked up that one shot again with the revived heroes, and decided to go back through volume one and pick out some of his feats. All in all, you seriously have to be around Spider Man's level at his best or have an ability that specifically counteracts Midnighter's anylitic abilities to take him on.

glad you guys agree🙂

Keep the faith 🙂

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I still don't think MD has the showings to support that his stats are on Wolverine's level. He doesn't have a single strength feat

when he and Apollo were looking at a house to buy he threw a guy about 40+ feet (he went over Apollo and Jenny's heads into the river) ..... that's a superhuman strength feat