Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I can't stand Conor Oberst.Then again, I can't stand Trent either now.
Stephen Brodsky would be added to my list.
-AC
Is a chronic dislike of Reznor for releasing one mediocre album and being a remix whore really justified? I don't particularly appreciate all the "selling-out" either, but he has some damn good albums under his belt.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
Is a chronic dislike of Reznor for releasing one mediocre album and being a remix whore really justified? I don't particularly appreciate all the "selling-out" either, but he has some damn good albums under his belt.
I can agree easy with any dislike of Trent Reznor. Seriously, that guy needs a good stabbing. He's put out some quality tunes, but that dude has issues (especially his love of remixing).
Cobain - Nirvana
Ian Brown - Stone Roses
Morrison - Doors
Mercury - Queen
Jack White - White Stripes
Josh Homme - Queens Of The Stone Age
Ozzy Osbourne - Sabbath
Robert Plant - Zeppelin
Billie Joe Armstrong - Green Day
These are votes based off of talent and charisma, mostly. You could probably argue some unlisted singers and front-persons who have more talent, but they likely have all the charisma and intrigue of a wet cabbage. That's why I hold Billie Joe in such high regard. Not the best singer ever, but a superb frontman and live act.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
Fair enough, but what I'm really asking AC is, why can he all of a sudden not stand Trent Reznor... He's always been a remix whore.
One thing to note is that his music isn't nearly as good as it used to be. It's still good by all means, but it's degraded.
Besides that, some people don't mind remixing at first. Hell, I loved Amotion when it came out with all those cool remixed A Perfect Circle songs. But imagine if they kept doing that. It would get annoying really quick. This goes the same for Mr. Reznor. I actually liked some of his old remix stuff. Now it's really worn off on me.
I agree with all of the above. My point is, why do people NOW, after one mediocre to decent release, all of a sudden dislike Reznor so much? With Teeth wasn't by any means awful, there are several bad tracks on it, a number of okay ones, and several really good ones. IMO, that's not enough bad material to say that "his music isn't nearly as good as it used to be"—especially since The Fragile, his second most recent actual album, was excellent.
Frankly I hate the remixing thing, I only own one NIN remix album, and only because I stumbled upon a vinyl copy of it in a record shop for 10 bucks. And yes... The remixes on Amotion are quite good. ✅
Originally posted by Darth Revan
I agree with all of the above. My point is, why do people NOW, after one mediocre to decent release, all of a sudden dislike Reznor so much? With Teeth wasn't by any means awful, there are several bad tracks on it, a number of okay ones, and several really good ones. IMO, that's not enough bad material to say that "his music isn't nearly as good as it used to be"—especially since The Fragile, his second most recent actual album, was excellent.Frankly I hate the remixing thing, I only own one NIN remix album, and only because I stumbled upon a vinyl copy of it in a record shop for 10 bucks. And yes... The remixes on Amotion are quite good. ✅
I share your consent on remixing whole heartedly, though I admit to liking some remixes (as mentioned above with Amotion as well as *anything* KMFDM remixes). It's like saying the original artist was wrong the first time.
Personally, I think his new stuff is nothing compared to his work on stuff like The Downward Spiral. But whatever.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
Well... Obviously With Teeth isn't as good as stuff he's done in the past, but I don't think it sucks or anything.
Honestly, I just don't care for it that much. In reality, I'm not much of an NIN fan either.
When I want industrial stuff, I'll go with bands such as KMFDM, Rammstein, and Ministry.
Well when you pride yourself on building a fanbase who, for the most part, adhere to the stereotype of "outcast" (for better or worse), build a rep of being some pillar of integrity who hates network television and mediocrity, I expect you to stick to that.
So when you then turn around and say that your best album is a regret because it bombed financially, then after 6 years release an album of b-side quality for the purposes of accessibility whilst also performing on a UK pop-show (pop network TV) you're a sell out.
When you are spending time dissing Walmart for not having any moral consistency and then turning round and do the exact same thing, you're a hypocrite.
You wanna still respect the man who no longer respects those who respected him? Go for it.
-AC
If he's gonna be a hypocrite and prove that I can't take what he says honestly, how can I be sure anything he does from now on is honest?
That's the price he pays. Not sure he cares though. He's still got mountains of NINies who will never admit it or leave his side, plus many more from his overexposure.
With regards to music, I understand he was trying to get clean but when it takes you 6 years to produce an album, I do expect something a little better than With Teeth, considering the last thing he showed us was The Fragile. He probably could have if he didn't make it his aim to get money.
-AC