Who is the bigger conman? Dan Brown or Graham Hancock

Started by whirlysplat3 pages

Gods are fact 😱

Originally posted by Novusordo
Yes the Royal bloodlines of Europe who openly ruled the world up untill the around 15th century all came from the Merovigian bloodline and that bloodline came from Sumer and was fused between the "gods" and human woman.

The ammount of ancient historical and religious texts (not least the Bible), all share the same theme of "gods" decending from the "heavens" and interbreeding with human woman that created giant monsters called Nefilim.

Its that theme that is repeated throught the world on everything from books, scrolls to slates.

Its this fusion of alien and human DNA that made the Royal Merovigian line which still is in power to this day.

By the way the Merovigian bloodline is considered an historical fact.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Gods are fact 😱

gods descending from the heavens...the people thought they was gods
they was somethin else....
read the post again

Aliens 😱

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Aliens 😱

Well done 🙂

The gods were just one name for them.

They were called the Chitehuri in Africa and the Watchers or Annunaki in others.

Before you mindlessly ridicule me like all the other sheep that dont think for themselves, why don you let your brain register my previous statment that the theme of "gods decending from the heavens and interbreeding with human woman" is written on texts and tablets all around the world?

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Originally posted by Novusordo
Well done 🙂

The gods were just one name for them.

They were called the Chitehuri in Africa and the Watchers or Annunaki in others.

Before you mindlessly ridicule me like all the other sheep that dont think for themselves, why don you let your brain register my previous statment that the theme of "gods decending from the heavens and interbreeding with human woman" is written on texts and tablets all around the world?

da vinci code is a good and will be made into a great movie.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
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Your signature is good.... why dont you step out from the herd if you are one of the very few who can actually see that humans act exactly like a herd of stupid dumb sheep that wont think for themselves?

Originally posted by Novusordo
Your signature is good.... why dont you step out from the herd if you are one of the very few who can actually see that humans act exactly like a herd of stupid dumb sheep that wont think for themselves?

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I had a bit of respect for Dan Brown till I saw him on TV and if the guy was chocolate he'd eat himself. Graham Hancock on the other hand is a fantastic writer/researcher. I've got his book "The Sign and the Seal" and I'd highly recommend it.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Article by Joe Nickell sums it up well

The record bestseller, Dan Brown’s 2004 The Da Vinci Code, has renewed interest in the quest for the Holy Grail, restyling the medieval legend for a public that often gorges itself on a diet of pseudoscience, pseudo-history, and fantasy.

Unfortunately, the book is largely based on obscure, forged documents that have now deceived millions.

The adventure tale begins with Paris police summoning Robert Langdon, an Indiana Jones type, to the Louvre to view the corpse of curator Jacques Saunier. Saunier has been murdered in bizarre circumstances. Soon Langdon and beautiful cryptanalyst Sophie Neveau lead readers on a page-turning treasure hunt across France and England, propelled by a series of puzzles and clues. Along the way, the pair search for a hidden "truth" that challenges mainstream Christianity. Brown drew heavily on the 1982 bestseller, Holy Blood, Holy Grail, written by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln (1996), with Lincoln as the conceptual author.

Brown’s novel is predicated on a conspiracy theory involving Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Supposedly the old French word sangreal is explained not as san greal ("holy grail"😉 but as sang real ("royal blood"😉. Although that concept was not current before the late Middle Ages, Holy Blood, Holy Grail argues that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, with whom he had a child, and even that he may have survived the Crucifixion. Jesus’ child, so the "non-fiction" book claims, thus began a bloodline that led to the Merovingian dynasty, a succession of kings who ruled what is today France from 481 to 751.

Evidence of the holy bloodline was supposedly found in a trove of parchment documents, discovered by Bérenger Saunière, the priest of Rennes-le-Château in the Pyrenees. The secret had been kept by a shadowy society known as the Priory of Sion which harked back to the era of the Knights Templar and claimed among its past "Grand Masters" Leonardo da Vinci, Isaac Newton, and Victor Hugo.

Brown seizes on Leonardo—borrowing from "The Secret Code of Leonardo Da Vinci," chapter one of another work of pseudo-history titled "The Templar Revelation." This was co-authored by "researchers" Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince, whose previous foray into nonsense was their claim that Leonardo had created the Shroud of Turin—even though that forgery appeared nearly a century before the great artist and inventive genius was born!

Among the "revelations" of Picknett and Prince, adopted by Dan Brown in The Da Vinci Code, is the claim that Leonardo’s fresco, Last Supper, contains hidden symbolism relating to the sang real secret. They claim, for instance, that St. John in the picture (seated at the right of Jesus) is actually a woman—Mary Magdalene!—and that the shape made by "Mary" and Jesus is "a giant, spreadeagled ‘M,’" supposedly confirming the interpretation. By repeating this silliness, Brown provokes critics to note that his characterizations reveal ignorance about his subject.

Alas, the whole basis of The Da Vinci Code—the "discovered" parchments of Rennes-le-Château, relating to the alleged Priory of Sion—were part of a hoax perpetrated by a man named Pierre Plantard. Plantard commissioned a friend to create fake parchments which he then used to concoct the bogus priory story in 1956. (See Carl E. Olson and Sandra Miesel, The Da Vinci Hoax, 2004.)

Of course, Dan Brown—with the authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail and The Templar Revelation—was also duped by the Priory of Sion hoax, which he in turn foisted onto his readers. But he is apparently unrepentant, and his apologists point out that The Da Vinci Code is, after all, fiction, although at the beginning of the novel, Brown claimed it was based on fact. Meanwhile, despite the devastatingly negative evidence, The Da Vinci Code mania continues. Perhaps Brown should go on his own quest—for the truth.

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To quote Jon Steward:
"Or as your local bookstore calls it, The FICTION section."

Exactly 😄

Hmmmmmm........... Hancocks research is what you say.......................Excellent you say........................I will post on this tmz..................................

Originally posted by amity75
I had a bit of respect for Dan Brown till I saw him on TV and if the guy was chocolate he'd eat himself. Graham Hancock on the other hand is a fantastic writer/researcher. I've got his book "The Sign and the Seal" and I'd highly recommend it.

People look to much into this shit.
Read his other books, wether or not he means to do it, he's simple creating the same story over some vast "conspiracy theroy"
Gets boring.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Hmmmmmm........... Hancocks research is what you say.......................Excellent you say........................I will post on this tmz..................................
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Originally posted by Tptmanno1
To quote Jon Steward:
"Or as your local bookstore calls it, The FICTION section."

Gotta love Jon Stewart 😄

Seriously, people read waaaaay too much into this stuff.

Yuppers!

true its just a interesting book.

The Da Vinci Code was great. It's just up to you to determine what's truth and what's FICTION

Promised to post on this today, so........

Originally posted by amity75
I had a bit of respect for Dan Brown till I saw him on TV and if the guy was chocolate he'd eat himself. Graham Hancock on the other hand is a fantastic writer/researcher. I've got his book "The Sign and the Seal" and I'd highly recommend it.

Here is a very good article on the quality of Mr Hancocks research. I reproduce it in whole from antiquity of man.com

An analysis of the quality of Graham Hancock's "science"
Leaving aside the fallacies already well-exposed by the other articles on this site, I would like to concentrate the reader's focus on a different matter. I propose a shift in attention away from Hancock's own ideas to his backing of other alternative authors, and how this reflects both on his understandings of the archaeological discipline as well as on the validity of his scientific judgements.
There is a book currently on the market called "The Hidden History of the Human Race" by Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson. It is the condensed version of "Forbidden Archeology" which is aimed at the general public. Cremo and Thompson "are members of the Bhaktivedanta Institute, a branch of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness that studies the relationship between modern science and the world view expressed in the Vedic literature of India. From the Vedic literature, we derive the idea that the human race is of great antiquity." In other words, what is presented is a religious tract dressed up in pseudo-scientific terminology with archaeological remains taken, and scientists quoted, out of context. By backing the book Hancock demonstrates a failure to understand one of the main premises of science: science is not religion and religion is not science. Any creationist work is, therefore, by default on false ground. Science works by examining the factual remains and building theories to explain the evidence.

Graham Hancock wrote the Forward to "The Hidden History of Mankind" and his words are revealing: "Let me say at the outset that I believe this book to be one of the landmark intellectual achievements of the late twentieth century. It will take more conservative scholars a long while, probably many years, to come to terms with the revelations it contains... Cremo and Thompson's central proposition is that the model of human prehistory, carefully built-up by scholars over the past two centuries, is sadly and completely wrong... This is a position that is close to my own heart; indeed it forms the basis of my book Fingerprints of the Gods. There, however, my focus was exclusively on the last 20,000 years and on the possibility that an advanced global civilization may have flourished more than 12,000 years ago only to be wiped out and forgotten in the great cataclysm that brought the last Ice Age to an end. In The Hidden History of the Human Race Cremo and Thompson go much further, pushing back the horizons of our amnesia not just 12,000 or 20,000 years, but millions of years into the past, and showing that almost everything we have been taught to believe about the origins and evolution of our species rests on the shaky foundation of academic opinion, and on a highly selective sampling of research results."

If Hancock considers taking finds and quoting scientists out of context to be rational and scientific, he is by all means free to do so. But that is just it: it's only an opinion. The current picture revealed by the fossil record has been painstakingly built up over the past century and a half. It has been done through excavation, evaluating the results critically, re-evaluation and acceptance or disproval and reattribution. This is done in line with basic scientific standards and recordings, and is not something which can be tossed aside because some people resent the results of anatomical, dating and stratigraphical analyses. Hancock also portrays a misunderstanding of scientific terminology when he uses the phrase "academic opinion"; he thus gives the distinct impression that a theory is simply nothing more than an opinion. Perhaps Hancock needs to take an Archaeology 101 course to refresh his journalistic memory.

His backing of this work, containing data which has either been disproven or which contains false portrayals and interpretations of the factual data remains, reveals an underlying contempt for the workings of the scientific disciplines and the proven principles on which they are based. The human fossil record is well-documented and the question must therefore be asked: if Hancock cannot recognise the fallacies contained in a pseudo-science work about a field so extensively documented, how is it possible for his own work to be based on sound scientific methods and why should he therefore expect both the general public and the academic community to take him seriously.

Here is an open letter to Hancock and Bauval from Michael J. Brass Lecturer at the University of Capetown. Hancock and Bauval have never replied to.

Dear Mr Robert Bauval and Mr Graham Hancock,
Over the past few months open, critical opposition has erupted between yourselves and me. I am writing this letter in the vein hope of bringing some much needed clarification both to the background of the position I hold and the reasons thereof.

My specialist research area is human evolution. I have no formal qualifications in the archaeological sub-discipline of Egyptology and nor have I claimed so. The knowledge I have concerning Ancient Egypt comes from the books and journal articles I have read, the Egyptologists I am in communication with and the application of archaeological practices and theory from human evolution to Ancient Egypt (which prehistorians like Professor Fred Wendorf and Associate-Professor Andy Smith, amongst others, also do). In 1995 I was informed that a book called "Fingerprints of the Gods" (FOG) had been published. I subsequently purchased it. I was interested in propositions presented that Antarctica had housed the lost civilisation of Atlantis; that certain maps, like the Piri Reis map, were based upon more ancient copies dating back a few thousand years and portray Antarctica free of ice; that the Olmec Heads display African features; that certain architectural features and myths from South America can be dated back to 10 500 BC; that the mammoths died out in a cataclysm around 10 500 BC; that the ice age had continued until around the epoch of 10 500 BC when the earth's crust shifted dramatically; that domesticated grains were found at Wadi Kubbaniya by Professor Fred Wendorf dating back to c. 10 500 BC, which are claimed in FOG to be remnants of a failed experiment in domestication fuelled by Atlantean teachers in the local populations; that the Sphinx dates to 10 500 BC; and that the Giza pyramids represent exactly the belt stars of Orion as they appeared in 10 500 BC.

I subsequently purchased "The Orion Mystery", watched the documentaries featuring yourselves and John West which appeared on the South Africa pay channel M-Net's documentary program, Carte Blanche. I also heard of a published academic response to "The Orion Mystery", published in KMT (1996) by Robert Chadwick, which I obtained a copy of. Referenced was Dr Jaromir Malek's review of "The Orion Mystery", which Dr Malek kindly volunteered to send me a copy of. Upon further investigation, I found Chadwick's article to be fatally flawed in a number of aspects [NOTE: 11 November 2001. I have reinvestigated Chadwick's article and found my previous criticisms to be invalid. I hold Chadwick's article to be a critical blow against the Orion Correlation idea]. I settled on publishing my response in the magazine "Quest for Knowledge" because at the time I felt it was the easiest route to make my objections publicly known. In hindsight, I committed a grievous error by doing so and I regret not having chosen my other option of first submitting my article to KMT as a formal response. It is a lesson I learned the hard way: when faced with a choice between a prestigious academic publication and a common magazine, the correct method is to opt for the former (I have gone into this point in greater depth in my article on peer-review journals).

A couple of months after "Quest for Knowledge" published my article in a two-part series, Mr Bauval contacted me via e-mail and requested permission to include my article, either as a whole or in part, in a forthcoming book. This book was meant to be an updated version of "The Orion Mystery" but, for reasons already documented by Mr Bauval, the book evolved instead into "The Secret Chamber". I granted permission, with the proviso that I see the relevant sections prior to publication. As "The Secret Chamber" progressed, the focus of the book changed further to the extent it was no longer feasible to include my article; this was a position I fully understood.

By this time I was heavily into researching ancient Egypt. For this, credit has to go to Mr Hancock for having stimulated my interest, as I am aware he has done for many others. Mr Bauval's work heightened my investigations into ancient symbolism and behaviour, not only with Ancient Egypt but also in regard to human evolution. For these two reasons I will always be grateful in some respects to you two. It is quite ironic, in my opinion, after this closer investigation of the archaeological and astronomical evidence, stimulated by yourselves, that I should land up being one of your most vocal critics.

As I advanced in my archaeological training and research, and from discussions with other professional archaeologists and astronomers, fundamental flaws were revealed in your arguments.

FOG's statements regarding Antarctica, the pole shifts, the ancient maps, the mammoths and South America have been disproved. The arguments raised by Mr Hancock on BBC Horizon regarding his dismissal of radiocarbon dating are spurious at best which reveal a distinct lack of knowledge and research on this particular subject and its application thereof. With regard to FOG, "Keeper of Genesis" and the Carte Blanche documentaries, the Sphinx has no cultural, geological and archaeological context at 10 500 BC when, contrary to FOG and your statements in the Carte Blanche documentaries, the Western Desert was in the tail-ends of an arid phase and did not posses a lush savannah-like environment. FOG contends that grindstones in the western desert were used in processing found domesticated grain, dated to the epoch of 10 500 BC. In this contention FOG relies upon Michael Hoffman's summary in "Egypt Before The Pharaohs" (1979) of Professor Wendorf's published work from the late 1970s at Wadi Kubbaniya. Mr Hancock failed to conduct follow-up research and consequently failed to take note of Professor Fred Wendorf's study published in 1988 entitled "New radiocarbon dates and Late Palaeolithic diet at Wadi Kubbaniya, Egypt". Although the latter study, in which Professor Wendorf reports on his research into his original claims and finds then to be without substance, has now been in the public realm for 13 years and has been pointed out on Mr Hancock's website message board on numerous occasions, I have yet to see Mr Hancock make a public retraction of his statements in FOG. This lack of acknowledgement gives lie to Mr Hancock's claim that if he was ever proven wrong on a subject then he will admit as such in the public realm.

The astronomers Dr EC Krupp and Professor Tony Fairall have raised objections to the strict correlation drawn in "Fingerprints of the Gods", "The Orion Mystery" and "Keeper of Genesis" between the Giza pyramids and the belt stars of Orion. In these books, and in the Carte Blanche documentaries, it was repeatedly stated that only in 10 500 BC do the angles of the Giza Pyramids and the angles of the belt stars of Orion match with exacting precision. As Tony Fairall's examination revealed, together with his response to Mr Bauval's criticisms of the BBC Horizon production, the angles are not an exact match and the discrepancies are significant. Mr Bauval, your critique of Associate-Professor Fairall's arguments have included a statement that the differences in the angles involved are within human eye tolerance levels. As much as you seem to criticise some people, with regard to the precision laying out of the Giza pyramids, as not being qualified in engineering so you are not qualified in astronomy and astronomical calculations for citings for stars and their use in precision layouts of buildings. I passed your comments on to Associate-Professor Fairall who responded that if you are correct in your statement, then the Ancient Egyptians must have had very poor eyesight.

Mr Bauval e-mailed me soon after Professor Fairall's critique was first published and requested qualification on various aspects, as I was in contact with Professor Fairall and was familiar with his criticisms. Despite having provided the requested clarifications on numerous occasions, Professor Fairall's argument was misrepresented in "The Secret Chamber". I note that it was after the publication of Professor Fairall's criticism that the "exact angle" argument ceased to be in usage and it was supplanted by the claim that the discrepancies were "insignificant" and that the real significance lies in the visual symbolic relationship between the Giza pyramids and Orion's Belt, as expressed on BBC Horizon. This change in tract whenever valid criticisms are put forward which rebut Mr Bauval and Mr Hancock's arguments smacks of desperation.