Anakin's Seamless Fall to the Darkside!

Originally posted by Wickerman
Palpatine's constant approval of Anakin's evil actions and acceptance of strong emotions can count as a slow drift towards the dark side 👆

agreed...and to take that even further, anakin's fall began the moment he was taken from his mother "fear is the path to the darkside". anakin was set on that path from the beginning then wasnt he?

and what of the tusken slaughter? anakin fell to the dark side and slaughtered children...then came back and realised the evil of his actions. you might say that anakin proved to be quite strong in his ability to become saturated in and then reject the darkside, since he repeatedy fell and then came back. i doubt even luke would have been able to come back had he killed vader. anakin fell multiple times and still came back to his senses. maybe that is why people are confused about his fall. they expected a single convincing moment, but fail to realise that since ep1 its been a series of moments. his fear of losing padme was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. very similar to dr. jeckyle and mr. hyde, darth vader was there inside him all along.

Originally posted by PVS
agreed...and to take that even further, anakin's fall began the moment he was taken from his mother "fear is the path to the darkside". anakin was set on that path from the beginning then wasnt he?

and what of the tusken slaughter? anakin fell to the dark side and slaughtered children...then came back and realised the evil of his actions. you might say that anakin proved to be quite strong in his ability to become saturated in and then reject the darkside, since he repeatedy fell and then came back. i doubt even luke would have been able to come back had he killed vader. anakin fell multiple times and still came back to his senses. maybe that is why people are confused about his fall. they expected a single convincing moment, but fail to realise that since ep1 its been a series of moments. his fear of losing padme was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. very similar to dr. jeckyle and mr. hyde, darth vader was there inside him all along.

vader is 'father' in dutch.
but as far as the purpose of his name in the film, i think it was just random.

Fair enough just would of been cool if it had a really good reason behind it. But I wonder what people would of done in Anakins postion, how far would of you taken it?

In my defense all I have to say is two quotes:

Yoda: "For once you start down the dark path forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will as it did with Obi-wan's apprentice."

Anikan: "And not just the men, but the women and the children too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. I hate them!"

Originally posted by PVS
agreed...and to take that even further, anakin's fall began the moment he was taken from his mother "fear is the path to the darkside". anakin was set on that path from the beginning then wasnt he?

and what of the tusken slaughter? anakin fell to the dark side and slaughtered children...then came back and realised the evil of his actions. you might say that anakin proved to be quite strong in his ability to become saturated in and then reject the darkside, since he repeatedy fell and then came back. i doubt even luke would have been able to come back had he killed vader. anakin fell multiple times and still came back to his senses. maybe that is why people are confused about his fall. they expected a single convincing moment, but fail to realise that since ep1 its been a series of moments. his fear of losing padme was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. very similar to dr. jeckyle and mr. hyde, darth vader was there inside him all along.

Exactly. Every episode held a little something that pushed Anakin closer and closer to the dark side. And he kept going in and out which is something worth acknowledging. As for ep. 3 after the mace/sid fight, i'd say that was the moment he became aware of all this. Of his constant fiddling with the darkside and succumbed to its weight. I'm not sure if succumbing to it was voluntary or involuntary though...that's to be debated.

~wickerman~

Originally posted by PVS
agreed...and to take that even further, anakin's fall began the moment he was taken from his mother "fear is the path to the darkside". anakin was set on that path from the beginning then wasnt he?

and what of the tusken slaughter? anakin fell to the dark side and slaughtered children...then came back and realised the evil of his actions. you might say that anakin proved to be quite strong in his ability to become saturated in and then reject the darkside, since he repeatedy fell and then came back. i doubt even luke would have been able to come back had he killed vader. anakin fell multiple times and still came back to his senses. maybe that is why people are confused about his fall. they expected a single convincing moment, but fail to realise that since ep1 its been a series of moments. his fear of losing padme was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. very similar to dr. jeckyle and mr. hyde, darth vader was there inside him all along.

I agree. DV was in him. Although I would have liked to see more of him being evil and less of him being an ass before Episode III, I agree. He had a dark side to him to begin with. That's why he should not have been trained. Yoda and the council in the prequel trilogy were just stupid on so many levels. ❌

ps: i wasn't sure if Vader means father in Dutch or Swedish or some other northern language (excuse my ignorance) 😮

~wickerman~

The main problem with Anakin starting his training at his age was simple: he was a slave. No one took into consideration the ramifications that being a slave would have on Anakin. There was a built in hatred of his own bondage as well as other emotional issues that were trapped inside. Once freedom has been attained, it's not easy to give yourself back to bondage or even a form of bondage, such as a strict, rigid code like the Jedi. Anakin would have never been satisfied with the Order until he could change it to suit his ambitions. Anakin hated being a slave on so many levels, which is extremely ironic since he became a slave of the Dark Side for quite some time. He was also a slave to his emotions, which was the strength he used to cope with being a slave in the first place. Remember when he was a kid:

"You're a slave?"
"I'm a person and my name is Anakin!"

He despised his slavery. He despised being typecast. He wanted individualism from a young age, which he could never attain as a Jedi, at least not in the way he might have wanted.

So yes, there was darkness there from a young age, but it was the emotional baggage that screwed him. He was a slave, lost the only thing he had in his life, his mother, and then was about to lose his wife. He was totally screwed.

That's why I loved the "decision scene" as I like to call it, where he contemplates in the temple. He didn't need to scream, what have I done. The tears he shed on Mustafar was more than enough.

Thoughts?