Originally posted by Fishy
You do realise a lot of evidenc about 9/11 can be argued right? Most of it can. If not all, but of course Alex doesn't discuss that it would hurt him and the government and the Media don't discuss it because they aren't confronted by it.And Whirly stop doing it anyway
Doing what, please remove your CIA geosynch. sat. from above my bedroom, what I do in the privacy of my home is nothing the government or you needs to know about 😄
Originally posted by Fishy
You do realise a lot of evidenc about 9/11 can be argued right? Most of it can. If not all, but of course Alex doesn't discuss that it would hurt him and the government and the Media don't discuss it because they aren't confronted by it.And Whirly stop doing it anyway
Alex sent out many copies of the tape to senators ect trying to get an investigation into it but they totally ignored him and he never heard back from any of them on his tapes he sent out.Typical of how the government and the politicians operate.
Just one of numerous very revealing abstracts from the Project for the New American Century [PNAC] document written in 2000 by a host of neo-cons including Rumsfeld and Cheeny...
"our plans will be very slow to unfold unless there is a catastrophic and catalyzing like a new Pearl Harbour"
That coupled with the little known fact that governments have used terroism since time began to advance and justify new laws, legislation or whatever they want to introduce but know the public will resist it unless there is a necessary reason to justify its introduction.
Also why the hell were hundreds of people who worked in the World Trade Centeres, the Pentagon and around both of the those buildings told not to come to work in the morning of September the 11th becuase there's going to be a terroist attack?
And to top it off.....
Ten Smoking Guns of 9/11:1) Why was NORAD ordered to stand down on 9/11... the first time in 50 years?
Flight 77 was known by NORAD to have been hijacked by 8:50am. Yet it is a full 48 minutes until any fighters are scrambled, as two leave Langley AFB just two minutes before Flight 77 hits the Pentagon at 9:40am.
2) What is the meaning behind the following quote attributed to Dick Cheney which came to light during the 9/11 Commission hearings. The passage is taken from testimony given by Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta.
During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
As the plane was not shot down are we to take it that the orders were to let the plane find its target?
3) What was the cause of the collapse of WTC Building 7? The plane wasn't hit by a building and yet it collapsed in the same manner as the twin towers. Why hasn't Larry Silverstein offered a public explanation as to the meaning behind his comments on a September 2002 PBC documentary, America Rebuilds, where he admits the decision was made to "pull" the building. Pulling a building is the industry term for controlled demolition. The official FEMA report listed fire damage as the reason for the building's collapse, even though photos taken before the collapse indicate minimal fires.
How can the collapse of the building and also the twin towers be justified in light of numerous examples of high story buildings which burned for hours and even days without collapsing, such as the recent Windsor Building fire in Madrid?
4) How did Rudolph Giuliani know that the south tower was about to collapse? Giuliani told ABC's Peter Jennings, "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse."
The World Trade Center was the first steel building to collapse from fire damage in history.
Who told Giuliani the building was going to collapse and how did they know?
5) In the days following September 11th, the FBI released a list of the 19 hijackers.
At least four of these hijackers are still alive. Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri ) was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.
He told journalists there that he had nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington, and had been in Morocco when they happened. He has contacted both the Saudi and American authorities, according to Saudi press reports.
Other so called 'suicide hijackers' who have come forward to protest their innocence (being alive is a good enough alibi) are Abdulaziz Al Omari , Saeed Alghamdi and Khalid Al Midhar.
How can we take claims of paper passports that miraculously escaped the impact of the plane and the gigantic fireballs and fluttered mostly unscathed down to the ground seriously? At least a third of the victims were never identified and yet a paper passport survives. Was this an attempt to frame the very individuals the FBI would later blame for the attack?
6) Who told a number of public officials not to fly into New York on the morning of 9/11 and why didn't the people on the targeted planes get the same warnings?
Mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown was set to fly into New York on the morning of September 11. However, he got a call from what he described as his 'airport security' late September 10th advising against flying due to a security threat.
Newsweek twice reported that top Pentagon officials had got a warning of the impending attack on September 10th, and cancelled their flights for the next day. This confirms that these officials knew both the locations of the imminent attack and the method of using jetliners as bombs.
7) From July 4th-14th 2001, Osama bin Laden was being treated for kidney infection at the American Hospital, Dubai, United Arab Emirates. There, on multiple occasions, he met with CIA station Chief Larry Mitchell. Bin Laden gave Mitchell 'precise information' regarding 'an imminent attack' on the US. Bin Laden also met with numerous members of his family, who left the US by chartered flights after September 11th with the full blessings of the US government.
A 2000 Clinton presidential executive order was still in effect and mandated that bin Laden should have been killed on the spot. Bin Laden was allowed to leave of his own free will.
8) A record number of 'put' options, speculation that the stock of a company will fall, were placed on American and United Airlines in the days preceding September 11th. This despite a September 10th Reuters report stating 'airline stocks set to fly.'
9) Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options. On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls.
The investigation as to which criminals benefited from advance knowledge of the terrorist attack led straight to Alex Brown/Deutsche Bank - chaired up until 1997 by executive director of the CIA, Buzzy Krongard.
Why wasn't Krongard taken in for questioning by the FBI and who else was involved in this insider trading?
10) Pakistan ISI Director General Mahmud Ahmad instructed Ahmad Umar Sheikh to hotwire $100,000 to the 9/11 lead hijacker, Mohammad Atta.
On September 11th, Ahmad was a guest of former clandestine CIA officer and CFR member Rep. Porter Goss and Skull and Bones/CFR member Senator Bob Graham. Since September 4th, he had met with top brass at the CIA, the Pentagon and the White House, including Colin Powell, Richard Armitage, Joseph Biden and George Tenet.
Condoleezza Rice lied in a May 16th 2002 press conference when she claimed ignorance of Ahmad's visit and the $100,000 transfer. Ahmad had already resigned from the ISI and the FBI had confirmed the circumstances behind this. Rice stated "I have not seen that report, and he was certainly not meeting with me."
What was the money man behind the terrorists doing in the halls of the US government before, during and after 9/11?
WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP FOR **** SAKE 🙄
Also all moderns buildings are built to stand when on fire and jet fuel does not burn at 2,000 degrees so how the hell can it melt steel nevermind the 8ft wide steel struts said to of melted from the fire.
Remember the building that burned in Spain early this year? It stood standing for a week before part of it collapsed.
Anyway, hundreds of demolition EXPERTS have said that fire did not bring it down and that it was a professional demolition job done by placing TNT on the supporting struts to bring in down in a controlled manner.
The collapse was a classic demolition as they all said. Plus all of them insist fire did not do it.
Besides, look at the videos.... theres huge fireballs blasting outward one after the other. OPEN YOUR ****ING YES - THATS EXPLOSIVES GOING OFF.
Why did they do it?
The reason why they did 9/11 was to catapult the world into the New World Order by creating the terroist threat and then pretending to protect the public from it by removing their civil liberties in return for increased security and police/government powers.
People cant you see anything?
The first thing you ask yourself when events like 9/11 happens is - WHO GAINS?
Wake up.
Originally posted by Deano
you dont know what logic is...
novusradu has just tryed to explain things to you that you choose to ignore
Yes you are right. His foundation of logic is based entirely off what he has learnt through the very institutions and entities which seek to indoctrinate and force-feed a version of reality/possiblity/logic that is completely false and imprisoning.
The Illuminati owned 'education' system, mainstream secular science and the media do a great job of doing that.
Originally posted by Novusordo
Yes you are right. His foundation of logic is based entirely off what he has learnt through the very institutions and entities which seek to indoctrinate and force-feed a version of reality/possiblity/logic that is completely false and imprisoning.The Illuminati owned 'education' system, mainstream secular science and the media do a great job of doing that.
all assumptions
all straw man tactics
the tactic of the weakest of debaters is to assume the position of his/her opponent and then go on to argue that assumption. kind of a staged arguement where you play both sides.
its a cop out 😬
so you dident go to school and you dont believe everything that comes out of mainstream secular scientists mouths and you dont beleive everything the media tells you and you dont believe the Warbrugs and the Rockefellar Illuminati bloodlines have monopilised the media companies and the newspaper and all other major publications and the Trilateral Commision dont decide what does and does not get taught in schools and all the Illuminati-controlled organisations that the Anti Defamation Organization that control much of the information flow, i.e what gets out and what does not atall control the information flow and thus, the masses level of knowledge and information?
What I'm saying is that the very people carrying out this agenda are the people who control every single institution that 'educates' (indoctrinates), informs or influences the masses beleifs and perceptions is controlled by the Illuminati bloodlines especially the Rockefellars.
This gives them the massivly helpful ability to basicly create a reality they want people to live in and to see the world how they want the masses to see it.
Thats why "UNLEARNING" needs to happen.... forget most of what you have been fed becuase 90% of it is provable bullshit.
Read "Rule By Secrecy" by Jim Marrs for proof of how the Illuminati bloodlines control the stuff I've mentioned. It goes into huge detail and its all proovable by mainstread stuff.
It will wake you up and is a great book to start out on waking up.
Also when or if you decide to wake up. Leave your belief system or your farce of a religion behind becuase if you have any mindset or beleif system to defend, you will edit and percieve the information you come accross to fit that belief system. That is what they are designed to do.
Its a massive problem becuase most major conspiracy theorists who are getting this information out on a mass scale useualy are Cristians and therfore they never get the whole picture becuase there religion edits and stops certain information which opposes it and therfore, they only know part of the story.
David Icke, on the other hand, knows the truth of religion and who created it and why and so he simply 'follows' information because his mind is absent of any hindering belief system or religion and thats why he is BY FAR the most knowledgable global conspiracy researcher out there and I reccomend his works over every other.
I urge all of you to read "The Biggest Secret" by David Icke.
I assume most of your are Americans (like always) so I've picked some very powerfull abstracts that you can relate to from "The Biggest Secret" book to try and whet your thirst for knowledge and truth which you will find more than enough of in "The Biggest Secret" as it tells the truth behind the "official version" of recent history, in other words, the lie, of recent history. Amoungst everything else that makes up the Global Conspiracy....
"The most powerful country on the planet today would appear to be the United States of America if you believe what you are told. But the United Stateshas always been controlled from London and still is. America has never been the land of the free and it’s time it was.The focus of the world has been on big, bad America, as the global villain while all the time the events blamed on Americans have been orchestrated by the Elite of the Babylonian Brotherhood in England and elsewhere. The apparent break up of the British Empire and Britain’s decline, on the surface, as the super power, has further obscured, on purpose, where the real power lies. I emphasise that by London I do not mean the British Government which is just another facade no matter who is in office. I mean that for historical and other reasons the major operational centre of the secret
society web of the reptile Brotherhood is based in London or New Troy and, to a large extent, Paris, Brussels and Rome, also."
"With the settlers in America, the Brotherhood expanded their occupation of the planet, came the reptilian bloodlines of the European aristocracy and royalty who would become the business leaders, bankers, presidents and administrators of the new United States. The financial and land ownership of America was assured from the start with the formation of the Virginia Company, set up by King James I in 1606. James knighted Francis Bacon and appointed him to many important positions, including Lord Chancellor of England. Under James’s patronage, the Templars, Rosicrucians and other secret societies joined forces under one name, Freemasonry. Look at some of the early members of the Virginia Company - Francis Bacon, Earl of Pembroke, Earl of Montgomery, Earl of Salisbury, Earl of Northampton, and Lord Southampton. All of them of Brotherhood bloodlines. The Virginia Company still exists under other names and it still controls the United States, as I shall explain in a moment. The Freemasons were at the forefront of the change from overt to covert rule by Britain of the North American continent. This transition is known by history as the American War of Independence. The Brotherhood Agenda for America was encapsulated in Francis Bacon’s work, The New Atlantis, published in 1607, in which an ‘Invisible College’ of elite intellectuals dictated events. One of the leading Freemasons of the British colonies in America was Benjamin Franklin, who is still revered as a Founding Father who believed in freedom for the people. His face can be seen on the $100 note. Even the Christian patriot movement which has understood many elements of the global conspiracy, has bought the idea that Franklin would have been on their side. I beg, most strongly, to disagree. Franklin was an asset of British Intelligence, a Satanist, stalwart of the Babylonian Brotherhood, and sacrificer of children. If Americans are not to lose the plot here they need to take a whole new look at the background and motivations of many of their Founding Fathers. Franklin was the Henry Kissinger of his day. It was Franklin who, on December 8th 1730, printed the first documented article about Freemasonry in his newspaper, The Pennsylvania Gazette. He officially became a Freemason in February 1731, and was made Provincial Grand Master of Pennsylvania in 1734. In the same year Franklin printed the first Masonic book in America and the first recorded American lodge was founded in his province in Philadelphia. Where was the American War of ‘Independence’ orchestrated from? Philadelphia and there you will still find the Liberty Bell - symbol of Bel, the Sun god of the Phoenicians and the Aryans. The Phoenician language is about sound, not spelling, and integral to the secret,
symbolic language of the reptile-Aryans is the sound of a word. Franklin, who was also a Rosicrucian Grand Mastei, was at the heart of the Brotherhood operation to take over America and replace overt control from London with covert control, the most effective and ongoing form of ruling the masses. I would urge those who think that people like Franklin and many other Founding Fathers were believers in freedom, not to be duped here. If I want you to give me power and support me at an election, am I going to tell you what you want to hear or what I know you don’t want to hear? Many of the main Founding Fathers, like Franklin and Jefferson, were obvious hypocrites who said one thing and did quite another. This is something, of course, that everyone does from time to time, but we are talking scale here. Jefferson wrote that all men are created equal while keeping 200 black slaves and writing elsewhere that black people are genetically and intellectually inferior to whites. How do you square those statements? You can’t. Franklin, too, kept black slaves while parroting on about freedom. Franklin was the leading Freemason in the very place where the War of Independence was organised; he was a member of Freemasonic networks in France, like the Nine Sisters and the San Juan Lodges, which helped to manipulate the French Revolution in 1789; he was an initiate of the highly exclusive Royal Lodge of Commanders of the Temple West of Carcassonne; he was also a member of the Satanic Hellfire Club with his close friend, the British Chancellor of the Exchequer, Sir Francis Dashwood, who was linked to many esoteric groups, including the Druid Universal Bond. Dashwood had a huge cave dug at his West Wycombe (Wicca) estate for their Satanic rituals and sexual ‘magic’ ceremonies.3 I will discuss the reasons behind the obsession with sex ritual in a later chapter. Let me stress again here that I am not condemning all Druids or the Wiccan traditions, not at all. I am pointing out the malevolent use of this knowledge, which can, and is, used very positively and lovingly also by people who call themselves Druids and Wiccan. The reason I mention that people were Druids etc, is to confirm that they understood and worked with the esoteric knowledge while condemning it in public and hiding behind Christianity. Another Hellfire Club member at this time was Frederick, the Prince of Wales, and so were the Prime Minister, the First Lord of the Admiralty, and the Mayor of the City of London.4 This was the company kept by Benjamin Franklin, the man who would lead a ‘rebellion’ against the same British Crown! In truth he was agent 72 of British Intelligence, the very same organisation created by people like Francis Bacon and Dr John Dee during the reign of Elizabeth I. In 1998 excavations under Franklin’s former home at 36 Craven Street, near Trafalgar Square in London, found the remains of ten bodies, six of them children, and they have been dated to the time that Franklin lived there. The cover story appears to be that he and his house mate must have been into grave robbing or buying bodies for medical research. Given that Franklin was a member of a group involved in ritual sacrifice, in line with the ancient rituals of the Babylonian Brotherhood, does anyone seriously believe that? Oh yes, one other thing. It was these two Satanists, Benjamin Franklin and Sir Francis Dashwood, who produced a prayer book which became the basis for the Christian Book of Common Prayer!"
As you can see, that goes against the official line of history on every level but, hey, they control the way his-story is recorded so is it any wonder its a pack of lies and shit?
"If you control history, you can massivly effect the way people think in the future"
Plus everything said in those two adstracts is 100% proovable by mainstream documentation and records 🙄
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