Put it this way, most people, fans and casual movie-goers alike, associate Robin with the downfall of Batman.
The amount of time Robin has been in the franchise is in direct correlation to the franchises sucktitide.
Now, obviously thats not fair, because I personally know that Robin would be great if done right (especially if it led into Nightwing and explorred the father/son relationship between Dick and Bruce)
But, as a marketing commodity, Robin is on the Z-List.
And, to be honest, I'd much prefer to see more time given to the villains and Batman himself.
Originally posted by Red Superfly
Put it this way, most people, fans and casual movie-goers alike, associate Robin with the downfall of Batman.The amount of time Robin has been in the franchise is in direct correlation to the franchises sucktitide.
Now, obviously thats not fair, because I personally know that Robin would be great if done right (especially if it led into Nightwing and explorred the father/son relationship between Dick and Bruce)
But, as a marketing commodity, Robin is on the Z-List.
And, to be honest, I'd much prefer to see more time given to the villains and Batman himself.
good points a lot a people believed that having more than one villian in a movie would f**k it up Batman begins proved that's not true...couldn't the same be said about robin being in the films...though I do believe the next two movies should be batman centered.
Originally posted by Mainstream
introduce Grayson around the the third movie...but don't have him become Robin until the fourth.
I totally agree woth you Mainstream.I think so that they didnt leave us hanging in the dark again like Batman 89 did if there was ever going to be a Robin in it,that they should have had that little kid be Dick Greyson.Rachel should have said to him-Whats your name honey? and they should have had him say -Dick Greyson.That way were not left hanging once again wondering if he will ever be in a sequel.I dont understand why that would have been so hard to do. 😠 Thats my one and only beef I have with Nolan in this film is that he did not do that. 😠
Originally posted by Mainstream
good points a lot a people believed that having more than one villian in a movie would f**k it up Batman begins proved that's not true...couldn't the same be said about robin being in the films...though I do believe the next two movies should be batman centered.
Yeah I myself was worried that Batman Begins might once again be another crappy Batman film making it 5 crappy Batman films in a row when they said there would be more than 1 villian but it just proved that with the right director and right screenwriter,two villians can work.Nolan and Goyer proved that you could introduce a villian in the future and have Robin in a sequel and make a good Batman film at the same time.Though I also think he can wait till Batman 4 since they need time to reintroduce The villains from the previous Batman films and do it properly this time to undo the damage that Burton and Schumacher brought to the screen.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
I totally agree woth you Mainstream.I think so that they didnt leave us hanging in the dark again like Batman 89 did if there was ever going to be a Robin in it,that they should have had that little kid be Dick Greyson.Rachel should have said to him-Whats your name honey? and they should have had him say -Dick Greyson.That way were not left hanging once again wondering if he will ever be in a sequel.I dont understand why that would have been so hard to do. 😠 Thats my one and only beef I have with Nolan in this film is that he did not do that. 😠
Parker, Nolan nor Goyer said anything of the sort because the child character is not, never has been, never will be Robin. He just happened to appear more than once in the film as did the homeless character, but we aren't saying he is the Joker now are we?
Originally posted by TheFilmProphet
Parker, Nolan nor Goyer said anything of the sort because the child character is not, never has been, never will be Robin. He just happened to appear more than once in the film as did the homeless character, but we aren't saying he is the Joker now are we?
Yeah I knew he wasnt Robin but what I meant was I dont see why it would have been so hard for them to have made him Robin in the script is what Im saying.They made it obvious that they plan on having The Joker in either the next film or the third film with his calling card at the end.How hard would it have been for them to decide to have that kid be Dick Greyson? Not hard at all.Instead once again I am left hanging going away thinking that Robin wont be in a sequel since they didnt even bother to introduce him like they could have the way they took the time to introduce The Joker for a sequel. 😠
Well judging from these comments I suspect you will see a Robin as soon as the franchise hits it's low point and loses Nolan, leaving the same results Burton's departure left in the first franchise.
Nolan: "Like Begins, one clear cut villain isn't the plan [though]" and the likelihood of Robin appearing "The studio wasn't interested in Robin. We weren't either. This is a young Batman, so Robin's a few films....not for a few pictures anyway. Dick Grayson's still in a crib somewhere. I seriously doubt I will even be involved when Robin's in the franchise" says Nolan.
Bale: "Thank God, there was no Robin," Bale says. "You really don't need him because Robin makes it campy and not dark.
Originally posted by TheFilmProphet
Well judging from these comments I suspect you will see a Robin as soon as the franchise hits it's low point and loses Nolan, leaving the same results Burton's departure left in the first franchise.Nolan: "Like Begins, one clear cut villain isn't the plan [though]" and the likelihood of Robin appearing "The studio wasn't interested in Robin. We weren't either. This is a young Batman, so Robin's a few films....not for a few pictures anyway. Dick Grayson's still in a crib somewhere. I seriously doubt I will even be involved when Robin's in the franchise" says Nolan.
Bale: "Thank God, there was no Robin," Bale says. "You really don't need him because Robin makes it campy and not dark.
Again I have become a Bale hater over his ignorant comments he makes.He needs to get past the 60's camp tv show and forget the horrible casting choice of O'donnel as Robin in Batman Forever and watch some of the animated series of Batman from the 90's to see how Robin can work perfect on the screen for a Batman movie.Again you make a good casting choice for the role of Robin such as Scott Weinger,you got a much better movie.Burtons arrival just ruined the Batman franchise from the very beginning so thats comparing apples and oranges to compare Burtons departure to Nolans.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
Burtons arrival just ruined the Batman franchise from the very beginning so thats comparing apples and oranges to compare Burtons departure to Nolans.
Whether you like Burton or not my point is still applicable. Burton's departure led to the (badly done) introduction of Robin into the old franchise and judging from what Nolan said his departure will lead to another introduction of the character into this franchise.
Just because the series got campy when Robin came on doesnt mean it will happen again though.As Batman Begins proved,a competent director and a competent screenwriter is all you need for a Batman movie to be faithful to the comicbook.Incompetent screenwriters is what led to the campiness of Batman with the last two Batman movies not the arrival of Robin.Nolan and Bale need to stop looking at the failures of Schumacher and The screenwriters of those movies to get past the misconception that Robin brings campiness to the screen.As I said,when you got competent screenwriters that understand the Batman mythos like the screenwriters did with the Batman animated series did,Robin works just fine on the screen without bringing campiness to it.
I never said Robin's arrival would make the future films in this franchise campy. I was merely detailing the events that brought the character to the silver screen the first time and what will likely bring him around the second. Although to be perfectly honest, I have serious doubts that another director who introduces Robin can bring in and also retain the tone/environment/mood/etc. that Nolan has thus far.
Originally posted by TheFilmProphet
I never said Robin's arrival would make the future films in this franchise campy. I was merely detailing the events that brought the character to the silver screen the first time and what will likely bring him around the second. Although to be perfectly honest, I have serious doubts that another director who introduces Robin can bring in and also retain the tone/environment/mood/etc. that Nolan has thus far.
I agree... best to let batman get some more solo stuff...